Champions League 2023/24 - Matchday 3
## Galatasaray S.K. 1-3 FC Bayern München
Date: October 24th, 2023
Time: 18:30 CET
Venue: RAMS Park, Istanbul
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Current Champions League Table (prior to this weeks Matchday):
| Team | GP | Wins | Draws | Loses | GD | Points |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1. FC Bayern München | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 6 |
- Galatasaray S.K. | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 4
- FC København | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | -1 | 1
- Manchester United | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | -2 | 0
| FC Bayern München | Galatasaray S.K. | Player Status |
|---|---|---|
| Neuer | - | Injured |
| Goretzka | - | Injured |
| Gnabry | - | Injured |
| Guerreiro | - | Injured |
| Upamecano | - | Injured |
Ulreich - Mazraoui, Kim, de Ligt, Davies - Kimmich, Laimar - Sané, Musiala, Coman - Kane
Peretz - Choupo-Moting, Sarr, Müller, Tel, Krätzig, Pavlović
Muslera - Boey, Sanchez, Bardakcı, Karataş - Ayhan, Torrreira - Tete, Aktürkoğlu, Zaha - Icardi
Güvenç - Angeliño, Demirbay, Mertens, Ziyech, Nelsson, Oliveira, Yılmaz, Ndombélé, Bakambu
We got lucky today. They produced 3.08xG if they were more clinical we would have been in trouble.
Tuchel is frustrating there is no clear style of play, the players get to the final third and don’t know what to do.
The midfield was slow and predictable the defense was quite shocking at times. Take the 3 points but lord I can’t watch this team.
If kerem akturkoglu had scored that goal maybe I would have slept happy as a gala fan
Harry Kane 9 points outta the first the UCL games. Without further iverservstion, I guess he never achieved that before. Heck, maybe he barely had that as a total before. Especially not during the group stage facing us. :-D
Musiala got a lot of criticism. Right fully so. I get it.
But i honestly think his “poor decision-making” today was due to him thinking he has to win this game for us on his own. Which is understandable if you look at the performance and how we started this game. And you know, he did win us the game with an assist and a goal.
I hope this sub finally puts some fucking respect on Ulle‘s name, he‘s been saving our asses all season already with world class saves
underrated comment 👏
Müller not subbed for his ucl wins count sucks…
Dunno but seems like tuchel doesn’t rate him, I feel he would have easily found a few good deep passes today
Ehh, save him for the league until KO rounds really. Group stage is in the bag and Müller can’t be playing 40+ games a season anymore
He could’ve started in my opinion. They work real good with Musiala.
Müller has to start the next game (I hope)
First half reminded me of playing vs city last season. If I speak I am in big trouble
As much as Gala pressed and as well as they played, they really didn’t have a sniff in the second half.
Love the way Laimer and Ulrich played. The two save’s Ulrich had early were amazing.
The team showed heart and worked their tail off. Deserved terrorist style win!
Personally I am OK with this performance given that it was away and the stadium was so annoying. The Garatasaray side was quite impressive offensively the first half pressing high. They got lucky and unlucky moments. But their defense was just atrocious and became too vulnerably when players used up their energy.
But Tuchel: what is wrong with you and Muller?
When they include the best fucking 9 in the world, the attack improves as fuck. There are tons of work to do but hey, we won.
Even though the defense looked shaky as a whole, I thought De Ligt played very well. I feel much more confident when he is out there to command the defense.
There are so many talking points here but the first question I have:
- What happened to Kimmich?
Like what’s going on? Is he honing it in? Protesting because his manager got sacked and he’s no longer the go-to for Tuchel? Unhappy that his mate was rumoured to be on the chopping block this summer?
I feel like his best years have been wasted which is a ridiculous thing to say considering what he has achieved but this guy should be a shout for the best midfielder in the world and he was there but something has happened this year where he has massively fallen off. Maybe that is a reactionary take but it’s where I am.
Is he suffering from trying to do it all? He’s taking on all this responsibility but fundamentally can’t handle it without another quality midfielder protecting him.
As for him wearing the arm band, I get it’s a largely empty symbol and it’s more an administrative thing but tonight he wasn’t good enough to wear the shirt let alone captain’s armbands.
When there was all the talks of future captain and all that, the argument was “he’s too hot headed” and it was always rebuffed with “so was Kahn, Effenberg, Van Bommel…” But now he doesn’t strike me as the guy to rally the players and get them working in the way that De Ligt, Müller, shit even Goretzka does!
Maybe I’m just disappointed with the performance and his was notably frustrating. It’s a frustration that stems from him being way off where he should be.
He simply doesn’t have a good partner in midfield anymore.
Despite what he insists Kimmich is not a 6. He is far far better as an 8. At the moment Laimer has been playing better at RB and Kimmich has had to hold the defensive line when he’s in midfield struggling. Goretzka roams waaaay too far forwards and so Kimmich has to drop back.
If we get Palhinia, genuinely Kimmich can go forward, where he is best.
its what i argued in the daily discussion earlier today
kimmich is killing his own game by a combination of ego, wanting too much and lack of discipline/smarts
he demands the ball in situations he cant get out of
he tries to chase in the midfield despite being too slow to do so
he goes from side to side trying to help, but then opponents are open in the center
its just bad play, somebody needs to show him the tape and tell him that less is more
He doesn‘t have a choice because his midfield partner (either Goretzka or Laimer) is always completely invisible when we have possession and Kimmich has to do it on his own
nah, i am done making excuses
how is another midfielder going to help kimmich, when he is running towards our own goal with an attacker on him
if your name is not messi or thiago just dont do it, even amateurs get taught this basic stuff
make a run to offer yourself, if your opponent bites, you get outta there
but he keeps running, gets the ball and then drawing a foul or a backpass are the only options
I thought it was played clever and nobody cares how you win a group stage match, you just need to win it.
But I‘m not Bayern fan, just rooting for them in international matches cause my stepson is a fan and the match was on Prime.
I thought Bayern did well in that 130db atmosphere. I knew Gala would collapse if they didn‘t score and then Bayern waited until Gala was tired and delivered two knock down blows. Well done.
When the opposing fans leave their home stadium early, you have done everything right.
Some of this is copy and pasted from my comment at HT in the match thread but i didnt have time to finish my rant so
Every single big game under tuchel we have been subpar at BEST. Draws vs leverkusen and leipzig. Wins against copenhagen and united but i dont think any bayern fan was happy with those displays. Loss in the supercup vs leipzig. Loss in the cup last year vs freiburg, loss vs leipzig MD 33 last year, 3-0 loss and draw vs city. I know we are doing well in the league table. But unless we show in the remaining group stage games that we can actually play convincingly in big games, i wont back tuchel any longer. You could say its reactionary but crumbling under pressure is something we didnt struggle with under nagelsmann etc. We cant settle for just consistently beating bad teams with low pressure, e.g. beating mainz, freiburg etc.
Also a lot of our wins under tuchel have been won by 1 or 2 goal margins. Even under JN we built up an immense GD and consistently thrashed teams we should be thrashing. We have17 GD now iirc and 7 of that is from bochum. Its infuriating how we just relax after going a goal or 2 up, when a few years ago we wouldve kept going for more until we were 4 or 5 up. We relaxed against united and nearly got punished for it.
Tbh under tuchel we arent a team that strikes fear in opponents like gala and united like we were even last year. So many former players (most recently zlatan (iirc) and henry) have talked about how terrifying it was to come up against bayern, how we would press all game and play with such intensity for 90 minutes. Of course no one wanted to come up against that. Now we play gala and from the first whistle we let them set the tempo, control the play, we let them have the ball. Gala were able to settle into the game and play the way they wanted to. No one used to be able to do that to bayern. United was similar, they had most of the chances at the start, which immediately gives them reassurance and motivation that they can win.
Think back to even last season, going up against barca inter and psg. Even if we werent sure we would win those games, we knew for a fact how the game was going to go: we will control possession, set the tempo of the game, we will have most of the chances etc. And indeed we kept a clean sheet in all 6 of those matches. Those 3 teams all better than gala copenhagen and united btw. I really dont have the same confidence in the team particularly in big games as i did last season
This game is added to the underlying trend of bad performances this season, its actually worrisome