I live in a country where voting is compulsory and yet we got Donald trump lite elected. Voting can be part of the solution but it can never be the only thing.
Just playing devils advocate here. If we are talking about real fascism then usually the vote is rigged by that point. Usually by the point where you already have facism take over voting is already too late.
Vote. No, really. If people actually fucking voted, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
Trump won with the popular vote.
A key element to defeat things like fascism, which build themselves on the popularity of fear, is that voting can’t be free-for-all. Voting should require, or be weighed with, some sort of licensing, testing of sane mind, awareness and understanding of at least current events, review of known association with dangerous anti-society parties, etc.
There has not been an US presidential election where the president got more votes than the number of non-voters. If apathy won then it had won every single time.
That’s hardly the reason. If you had a multi-party system the voted would be even more spread out between the candidates which makes it even less likely for a candidate to get more votes than the non-voting population. However a multi-party system would significantly lessen the possibility of getting oligarchic control because you wouldn’t have to choose between 2 shitty options, you’d have to have multiple shitty choices for the shittiest one to win.
Vote. No, really. If people actually fucking voted, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
You would think that, but the reality is probably that out if everyone who didn’t vote you would get an even spread so they really don’t make that big of a difference. Take other countries where voting is compulsory like Brazil and Argentina and they also elected extreme right clowns.
out if everyone who didn’t vote you would get an even spread
I don’t think that’s necessarily true. I suspect that the median non-voter is less wealthy than that of the voters.
Take other countries where voting is compulsory
We have compulsory voting in Australia. Presently we have a progressive (left of centre) government. It’s possible or likely that we will elect a right of centre government this year, but not extreme right clowns.
Argentina’s core problem is their previous Peronist government’s unsustainable spending and command over the economy. They have spent themselves into a crisis several times due to their high Debt:GDP ratio
Sure I hate Peronists as much as the next guy, however you can’t possibly be arguing in favour of austerity when rampant poverty is killing off your populace. Milei is a piece of shit that perpetuates impoverishment by also taking debt with IMF while cutting national industry via privatisation (none of it is bought by Argentine interests, all of them foreign).
Ok, so serious answer for our friends who don’t live in places without an active culture of protest:
Vote. No, really. If people actually fucking voted, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
Give money to advocacy organizations
Give your time and money to mutual aid organizations
Read the news (not just on lemmy either)
CALL your congresspeople. Emails and letters are better than nothing, but do not have the same impact.
Try to get your friends to do #1-5
I live in a country where voting is compulsory and yet we got Donald trump lite elected. Voting can be part of the solution but it can never be the only thing.
Just playing devils advocate here. If we are talking about real fascism then usually the vote is rigged by that point. Usually by the point where you already have facism take over voting is already too late.
Trump won with the popular vote.
A key element to defeat things like fascism, which build themselves on the popularity of fear, is that voting can’t be free-for-all. Voting should require, or be weighed with, some sort of licensing, testing of sane mind, awareness and understanding of at least current events, review of known association with dangerous anti-society parties, etc.
More people didn’t vote than they did for either candidate. Apathy won.
Means testing voting? What could possibly go wrong?! You do see how horrifically abusable that is, right?
There has not been an US presidential election where the president got more votes than the number of non-voters. If apathy won then it had won every single time.
Yes. And look where it’s gotten us. Oligarchic control
That’s hardly the reason. If you had a multi-party system the voted would be even more spread out between the candidates which makes it even less likely for a candidate to get more votes than the non-voting population. However a multi-party system would significantly lessen the possibility of getting oligarchic control because you wouldn’t have to choose between 2 shitty options, you’d have to have multiple shitty choices for the shittiest one to win.
You would think that, but the reality is probably that out if everyone who didn’t vote you would get an even spread so they really don’t make that big of a difference. Take other countries where voting is compulsory like Brazil and Argentina and they also elected extreme right clowns.
I don’t think that’s necessarily true. I suspect that the median non-voter is less wealthy than that of the voters.
We have compulsory voting in Australia. Presently we have a progressive (left of centre) government. It’s possible or likely that we will elect a right of centre government this year, but not extreme right clowns.
Millei is necessary for Argentina. Would be a bad president in America but that country desperately needed austerity
What the hell? We are at upwards 40% poverty rate wdym austerity
Argentina’s core problem is their previous Peronist government’s unsustainable spending and command over the economy. They have spent themselves into a crisis several times due to their high Debt:GDP ratio
Sure I hate Peronists as much as the next guy, however you can’t possibly be arguing in favour of austerity when rampant poverty is killing off your populace. Milei is a piece of shit that perpetuates impoverishment by also taking debt with IMF while cutting national industry via privatisation (none of it is bought by Argentine interests, all of them foreign).
How’s giving money going to help when it would take a million of me to counter a single billionaire?
We don’t need to match a billionaire. We just need to finance lawyers and advocates to work on our behalf.
As bad as things are now, think about how much quicker things would devolve without organizations like planned parenthood, the EFF, and the ACLU.