These threads are odd to me, considering how many people call all communists tankies. The word seems to be used by anarchists, conservatives, communists, anti-communists, and more, and every person has a slightly different definition.
Half the people here could consider the other half to be the tankies everyone is mad at.
To be clear this isn’t me saying “be nice to the tankies” this is me saying “the overuse of this word is confusing the shit out of me.”
It became confusing when liberals learnt of the word - now they hurl the word at anyone who dares to remind them that being pro-capitalist is still a right-wing thing to be.
Maybe it’s just the circles I run in, but I understand “tankie” to mean leftists who think Soviet/Maoist/vanguard-party styles of Communist revolution/rule were good, actually, to the point of denying any bad things they did/do as “Western propaganda”.
Given the red scare in the US, our ability as a whole to use any sort of leftist political labels accurately across the population is basically non-existent, so I do understand the frustration by both tankies and non-tankie leftists about how the term gets used lately, especially in produce circles on social media.
But again maybe that’s just me. I don’t know if I would consider myself a communist, but I do consider myself as a yet undetermined variety of socialist, if that helps at all.
…because none of those groups are Tankies and they are all unified against Tankies.
Tankies aren’t socialists or communists (not that those two things are the same either). They are the purist ideologues of communism, where compromise is defeat. Rampant in telling you why you’re wrong, and why only the purest form of communism will bring nirvana. All without understanding the consequences of what they propose.
Even the Communists don’t want them on their side.
I think you kinda missed my point. Sure, socialists and communists don’t like tankies, but conservatives think the socialists and communists who don’t like tankies are tankies. They aren’t “unified against tankies”, they don’t agree who, what, and where “tankies” are.
Tankies aren’t socialists or communists (not that those two things are the same either). They are the purist ideologues of communism, where compromise is defeat.
They literally support a transitionary period and a capture of the bourgeois state for the interests of the proletariat instead of its immediate dissolution, this is the thing ultralefts criticize them for.
At the end of the day, who gets to decide what the ideal “Worker’s Paradise” looks like? You? Me? Tankies are convinced that their vision is correct and will broker no compromise
Hamas is not the palestinian people. Israel’s government is not the Israeli people.
You should not support Hamas or The Israeli government regardless of whi h side did what.
The comment you’re replying to was specific about the difference between the people and the organisations in control of their states so I think you should too.
So who else is there to support? Who else is willing to fight back against the genocidal Israeli regime? Gi Joe, maybe? The starship Enterprise?
How many of the Palestinians fighting for Hamas actually gives a damn what Hamas stands for? Half? A quarter? Ten percent, maybe? I don’t know… but I can tell you this - all of them know, far better than you ever could, what Israel stands for. They have seen it for themselves for the last half-a-century. It was no different than all the Vietnamese people who fought with the Viet Cong - and the liberal hand-wringing over the “evil” Viet Cong sounded exactly the same then as yours do now.
This is what you “enlightened centrists” don’t seem to understand… when a genocidal enemy is giving you no other option but to resist using all means available, you don’t get to wait around for a political organisation that soothes all your moral hackles - you either join the people handing out AKs or you sit on the sidelines and wait for the mass-murder to claim you, too.
You think your “both-side-ism” is new? It’s not… it’s been the exact same bullcrap that has been used to smear all anti-colonialist warfare since the start of colonialism.
The fact that a cause is just does not make all of its participants good.
Hamas is a dictatorship, they have not allowed an election in near 20 years, and they do not hesitate to endanger the people of palestine intentionally to further their cause. You can condemn the Israeli government and their actions while also condemning hamas, it’s not a fucking sport where you pick sides and cheer for a team.
But that’s a tangent. You did that to the person before me too, just picking out a small section of a comment and responding to that as though everything else said wasn’t there.
I acknowledge the horrific things comitted by Israel towards palestine and palestinians. But i’m sorry, i find it a bit too hard a pill to swallow to cheer the other force intent on genocide launching rockets indiscriminately into civilians. Just as horrific a thought as cheering the IDF levelling another apartment building, no?
The fact that a cause is just does not make all of its participants good.
Nobody said Hamas was any good. If there was anything good about them, Israel would not have funded them back in the late 80s.
while also condemning hamas
Again… who else is there that is willing to fight Israel? Superman? Captain Planet? You?
Get this through your head, liberal - people undergoing brutal colonization does not have the luxury of adhering to your limp-wristed armchair pearl-clutching. If you are going to condemn them for resisting, you might just as well take off your mask and join the pro-colonialism side - you’re not all that far removed from them ideologically, anyway.
Communists seem to be sad, pathetic people now. I thought ya’ll had something, but you’re all just a bunch of fractured apologists trying to get one over on each other.
Sad, ya’ll actually had something going on at one point, now you’re just irrelevant
Strong probability the name is a reference to catradora_stalinism, a prominent monarchist user on Hexbear. Not sure if it’s an alt or someone who really hates C_S.
I’m an anarchist, we don’t call anybody tankies.
Tankies is a term coming from the UK i think the 80s some eastern european nation was taken over by the USSR and some Brittish came out in support of it. So they were called tankies.
These political fighting words need to be layed to rest. Communists hate me as much as anybody else but I’d rather engage on the idea level instead of ad hominem attacks and name calling.
I suspect this whole tankie thing might be a coordinated propaganda campaign geared at discrediting communists and at the same time creating tension between them and other leftits. I suspect this as this whole infighting over small differences doesn’t lead to a victory for the left but effectively disables and neutralizes it.
These threads are odd to me, considering how many people call all communists tankies. The word seems to be used by anarchists, conservatives, communists, anti-communists, and more, and every person has a slightly different definition.
Half the people here could consider the other half to be the tankies everyone is mad at.
To be clear this isn’t me saying “be nice to the tankies” this is me saying “the overuse of this word is confusing the shit out of me.”
It became confusing when liberals learnt of the word - now they hurl the word at anyone who dares to remind them that being pro-capitalist is still a right-wing thing to be.
Capital co-opting and perversing anticapitalist rhetoric to its own benefit, in my Lemmy? It’s more likely than you think.
Anybody left that is not libertarian or social democrat from what I’ve seen tbh. And often weaponised.
Maybe it’s just the circles I run in, but I understand “tankie” to mean leftists who think Soviet/Maoist/vanguard-party styles of Communist revolution/rule were good, actually, to the point of denying any bad things they did/do as “Western propaganda”.
Given the red scare in the US, our ability as a whole to use any sort of leftist political labels accurately across the population is basically non-existent, so I do understand the frustration by both tankies and non-tankie leftists about how the term gets used lately, especially in produce circles on social media.
But again maybe that’s just me. I don’t know if I would consider myself a communist, but I do consider myself as a yet undetermined variety of socialist, if that helps at all.
…because none of those groups are Tankies and they are all unified against Tankies.
Tankies aren’t socialists or communists (not that those two things are the same either). They are the purist ideologues of communism, where compromise is defeat. Rampant in telling you why you’re wrong, and why only the purest form of communism will bring nirvana. All without understanding the consequences of what they propose.
Even the Communists don’t want them on their side.
I think you kinda missed my point. Sure, socialists and communists don’t like tankies, but conservatives think the socialists and communists who don’t like tankies are tankies. They aren’t “unified against tankies”, they don’t agree who, what, and where “tankies” are.
They literally support a transitionary period and a capture of the bourgeois state for the interests of the proletariat instead of its immediate dissolution, this is the thing ultralefts criticize them for.
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Then there’s folks like me who have no idea what the term means, you’re not alone in your confusion.
Edit: thanks for all the replies folks! TIL
Tankies are ‘communists’ ala Mao and Stalin, i.e. okay with the violent opression of democratic movements and minorities.
At the end of the day, who gets to decide what the ideal “Worker’s Paradise” looks like? You? Me? Tankies are convinced that their vision is correct and will broker no compromise
Any ‘Worker’s Paradise’ wherin the freedom of speech is curtailed and protestors are shot in the streets isn’t one I want to live in.
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Anyone who makes a wack generic statement like that can’t be particularly “intelligent” either
Good job projecting there… I award you ten out of ten PragerU coins for that one.
Oh, it has nothing to do with the fact that Israel is a genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist state?
Found the tankie.
If you don’t understand the meaning of certain words it might be a good idea to not use them, no?
Ugly, Dumb, Tankie scum.
Hold on while I whip out the world’s smallest violin for you, fascist.
Like a school yard kid getting called out: “You’re the fascist”
Cry more tankie scum. Fascist supporting dipshit.
No, don’t run off, fascist… I swear that little violin is down there somewhere. Just hold on a bit longer, okay?
Hamas is not the palestinian people. Israel’s government is not the Israeli people.
You should not support Hamas or The Israeli government regardless of whi h side did what.
The comment you’re replying to was specific about the difference between the people and the organisations in control of their states so I think you should too.
So who else is there to support? Who else is willing to fight back against the genocidal Israeli regime? Gi Joe, maybe? The starship Enterprise?
How many of the Palestinians fighting for Hamas actually gives a damn what Hamas stands for? Half? A quarter? Ten percent, maybe? I don’t know… but I can tell you this - all of them know, far better than you ever could, what Israel stands for. They have seen it for themselves for the last half-a-century. It was no different than all the Vietnamese people who fought with the Viet Cong - and the liberal hand-wringing over the “evil” Viet Cong sounded exactly the same then as yours do now.
This is what you “enlightened centrists” don’t seem to understand… when a genocidal enemy is giving you no other option but to resist using all means available, you don’t get to wait around for a political organisation that soothes all your moral hackles - you either join the people handing out AKs or you sit on the sidelines and wait for the mass-murder to claim you, too.
You think your “both-side-ism” is new? It’s not… it’s been the exact same bullcrap that has been used to smear all anti-colonialist warfare since the start of colonialism.
The fact that a cause is just does not make all of its participants good.
Hamas is a dictatorship, they have not allowed an election in near 20 years, and they do not hesitate to endanger the people of palestine intentionally to further their cause. You can condemn the Israeli government and their actions while also condemning hamas, it’s not a fucking sport where you pick sides and cheer for a team.
But that’s a tangent. You did that to the person before me too, just picking out a small section of a comment and responding to that as though everything else said wasn’t there.
I acknowledge the horrific things comitted by Israel towards palestine and palestinians. But i’m sorry, i find it a bit too hard a pill to swallow to cheer the other force intent on genocide launching rockets indiscriminately into civilians. Just as horrific a thought as cheering the IDF levelling another apartment building, no?
Nobody said Hamas was any good. If there was anything good about them, Israel would not have funded them back in the late 80s.
Again… who else is there that is willing to fight Israel? Superman? Captain Planet? You?
Get this through your head, liberal - people undergoing brutal colonization does not have the luxury of adhering to your limp-wristed armchair pearl-clutching. If you are going to condemn them for resisting, you might just as well take off your mask and join the pro-colonialism side - you’re not all that far removed from them ideologically, anyway.
Communists seem to be sad, pathetic people now. I thought ya’ll had something, but you’re all just a bunch of fractured apologists trying to get one over on each other.
Sad, ya’ll actually had something going on at one point, now you’re just irrelevant
I can’t tell if you are just angry and on a weird internet tantrum or a communist who made this account to do a bit
Strong probability the name is a reference to catradora_stalinism, a prominent monarchist user on Hexbear. Not sure if it’s an alt or someone who really hates C_S.
Can’t tell if you’re just outta anything smart to say or just want me to confirm whatever little paranoia you got
I can’t tell why you commented on a day old comment to start an argument with someone who doesn’t really care that much.
I can’t tell why someone who doesn’t care all that much wants to keep replying to me
I mean I don’t really care about the topic you are speaking about
But I am bored
honestly mood
I can tell, 70 comments in the 3 hours your account has existed lol
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I’m an anarchist, we don’t call anybody tankies. Tankies is a term coming from the UK i think the 80s some eastern european nation was taken over by the USSR and some Brittish came out in support of it. So they were called tankies.
These political fighting words need to be layed to rest. Communists hate me as much as anybody else but I’d rather engage on the idea level instead of ad hominem attacks and name calling.
I suspect this whole tankie thing might be a coordinated propaganda campaign geared at discrediting communists and at the same time creating tension between them and other leftits. I suspect this as this whole infighting over small differences doesn’t lead to a victory for the left but effectively disables and neutralizes it.
Speak for yourself… anarchists are very prone to using that term to describe the technocratic left. I know, I’m one of them.