Israel has continued bombarding Gaza’s south despite telling 1.1 million people in the north of the besieged enclave to relocate there ahead of an expected ground offensive.
“We were displaced from Tal al-Hawa to Rafah at the request of the Israeli army, and this is what happened to us. My son is a 3-month-old martyr,” the father of a child killed in an attack in Rafah told Al Jazeera.
Absolutely disgusting in every way. War is the product of infantile minds and sick abusive hearts. These kids did not deserve to die for the stupidity and perverse beliefs of the adults surrounding them. Shame on Israel for this murderous atrocity and shame on Hamas for engaging in warlike acts of child murder as well. NO ONE is above blame for this horrendous show of inhumane and despicable sickness.
Where are all those people wailing about Hamas being monsters for killing babies? This should make them even angrier and louder.
I condemn both and I have written my representative that I wish my country had a more nuanced reaction to the current escalation. I wish we could sympathize with all civilians caught between two groups of murderous assholes.
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This sounds like apologia and the logic that will breed even more Hamas clones. Israel is the one committing this atrocity. They have the power to stop it. Don’t remove that responsibility from them by saying it’s just civilian casualties.
it’s not just civilian casualties, some of them were teenage soldiers.
This is whataboutism but the same crowd has the opposite opinion when it come to Russia and Ukraine. And Ukraine didn’t even shoot missiles at Russia first.
So it just appears to be alignment with certain groups and countries rather than honest worry about anyone’s wellbeing.
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This sounds like apologia and the logic that will breed even more Hamas clones. Israel is the one committing this atrocity. They have the power to stop it. Don’t remove that responsibility from them by saying it’s just civilian casualties.
Did anything that you read register or did you just blindly imagine something defending Israel lol?
To militaries and the vast majority of western ethics… There’s a huge mental difference between terrorist attacks that discriminately shoot innocent children and families, from bombing those who are unlucky and happen to be near the bad guy.
You’re literally rationalizing Israel (and other countries like Russia and US) going in and killing children deliberately as unlucky. Israel knows they are killing children. The moment the fucking number of “casualties” is half children then they should fucking stop.
For places like this though, their hatred runs deep. Civilian casualties are part of the business when you’re packed that deep and using innocent people as shields.
But, no, you aren’t doing apologia. It’s just part of the business! So let’s turn around and ignore what’s happening 🙌
If you live in USA or EU your government is ok with this
Since I live in the USA, actually we fund it to the tune of several billion a year and then some.
You think we like our governments?
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The last time the UK had a government approved by more than 50% of the voters was 1931.
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The problem is the other 60%+ all want different things.
The only thing that unites them is they don’t want what we currently have.
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An upvote from me is worth ten downvotes from them. Unfortunately this is not reflected in your numbers due to limitations of the platform.
1.67 "9/11"s worth of death, in retaliation for 0.47 "9/11"s worth of dead on Oct 7th.
Or, with 9/11= 2977 and the Iraq war killing 187,000 civilians, we get a ~63:1 misplaced retaliation vs. initial attack ratio. So the one could extrapolate from the 1400 dead on Oct 7th that 88,200 innocent people in Gaza will need to be killed to quench the IDF’s rage.
Why not count the Afghans too? People keep forgetting that happened for some reason… Which is weird considering they were the first ones to be attacked in retaliation and Iraq wasn’t an answer to 9/11…
People absolutely saw Iraq as retaliation for 9/11 too. The bush admin repeatedly lied about Iraq having ties to Al Qaeda.
People are ignoring the afghans are about to be openly genocided to the tune of 1.4 million by the Pakistani government.
Too busy focusing on Israel.
Nothing will ever quench their rage. It’s all they have.
Equally importantly, they never cared about the lives of people in Gaza. We see this all the time in war… If killing 63 number of enemies will save even 1 of our own lives, we’ll do it. Doesn’t matter if it’s 63, or 6,300, or 630,000, because the enemies’ lives aren’t worth anything to them.
You missed something in your math there. IDF is considering the October 7th attack as “10 time worse than 9/11” so up those numbers close to 900,000. Maybe make it 911,911 for the fun propaganda value. With more than half of the 2.2 million Gaza population (although maybe we should start counting the West Bank killings as it is ramping up, too) being children and seeing how Israeli government doesn’t discriminate , maybe they can quench their bloodthrist with young blood alone, even.
America has a population that is 35 larger than Israel. If America had lost the same percentage of their population as Israel did on Oct 7th, it would be ~49,420 dead, or the equivalence of 16 "9/11"s. That is why Biden said 10 times worse than 9/11.
Iraq currently has a population of 43.5 million. 187k is 0.42% of it’s population. If we do it by percent of population, Gaza has 2 million people, so the retaliation would kill “only” 8,600.
Why would you calculate this as a percentage of population? Do you really think the population numbers of a nation have any relevance to the value of a human life?
A certain side thinks “they have no value if their skin is a brown hue”
Biden called it “Ten 9/11s” because of percent of population. I would have called it “0.47 9/11s”, as each human life is equally valid. But as impact on the whole, Oct 7th was a larger percent of the population of the country than 9/11, so it is having a much larger impact with only half as many dead.
I also hope that the numbers that die in retaliation are as low as possible, and percent population numbers gave a smaller needed “revenge” killing. Wish it was zero, but we are, underneath it all, rage-full apes with explosives.
It’s baffling to me why this blood ratio is circulating so much in the news. Did the Las Vegas shooter kill the American equivalent of 1.8 Israelis?
I remember protesting the Iraq war as a teen. What a fucking monster the U.S. has become.
Yeah killing innocent children isn’t the solution to anything. Shameful shit that the Whitehouse supports this horror
The EU just confirmed that they are fine with this as well. Apparently they see no problem as long as Israel says they are trying to hit terrorists. Un-f*cking-believable!
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The previous mayor of Barcelona, Ada Colau, ended their status as sister city with Tel Aviv over the systematic crimes from the state of Israel against Palestinians. The immediate reaction of the Israeli embassy was denouncing her as antisemitic, both in the media and in courts, which recently found her innocent.
The position that denouncing Israeli crimes is antisemitic has been the official position of Israel for decades, and that’s a very dangerous game for the well-being of Jews in a world where actual nazis are slowly gaining power, because once you’re run the term down through the ground, calling actual hate crimes against Jews “antisemitic” will no longer have any meaning.
So you are basically saying that Israel uses Jews as human shields against antisemitism.
The position that denouncing Israeli crimes is antisemitic has been the official position of Israel for decades,
At this point, that’s just a template answer, not different than the template answers China delivers everytime someone says something about the Uygur genocide, the Hong Kong occupation, or claims over Taiwan.
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Yes, that, exactly that.
If people want to tie their religious identity to a nation state and call me antisemetic when I criticize that nation state – the same as I criticize any other nation state – they are in fact trivializing the experience of those who experience actual antisemitism.
I’m sure they don’t see it that way, but it’s hard for me to see such an attitude as anything other than disrespectful of one’s own history.
Genocide by Zionist criminals.
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I’m German, it’s so depressing that our nation’s stance on this will always be: We stand 100% behind Israel.
Discussions exist and it’s being debated a lot on TV. People are pretty much appalled, with what Israel is doing.
Anyone, that feels the least amount of compassion towards other people, is not ok with this. Disregarding religion, nationality, race or whatever community they belong to. There’s no way to justify this, no way at all.
Edit: 5000 dead and they haven’t even sent in any troops yet.
Let this shit sink in.
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Tough cookies Jack, better vote for him again so he can invade Haiti in his second term.
Israel humiliated Biden during Obama’s term when Biden went to visit Israel and suggested in soft words that they don’t expand illegal settlements. Israel basically said screw you in the press conference, and Biden took it like an obedient slave. Really showed the world who holds his leash.
That’s antisemitism /s
Cryptofascists will cite dead children to justify slaughtering many times more children in retaliation, each and every time, because they see those that are killed in that retaliation as less than human.
What does this have to do with cryptography??
I assume you’re joking but just in case you’re not (or for the sake of people reading this that didn’t catch it) by crypto- as a prefix I mean deceptively veiled fascist ideology that pretends to be something else or justified in some ostensibly politically acceptable way.
Why assume he’s joking? It’s probably the first time many are hearing that term.
Because I assumed that not many would immediately associate cryptofascism with cryptography.
I was not joking. If you say “crypto” without specifying, then you’d expect cryptography.
This chapter on photovoltaics says nothing at all about composiiton, foreground, perspective. What a useless book!
So will hexbears. They justify the slaughtering of ukrainian children with “america bad too”
oh my fucking god
Does the UN or some other more neutral org have numbers? I mean, the Gaza Ministry of Health kinda has incentive to exaggerate civilian casualties, just like the IDF has incentive to say “everyone in that playground we hit with that airstrike was an Islamic Jihad Terrorist”.
While I definitely kind of agree with the sentiment. Just statistically. It would be hard for this to not be true. The numbers overall might be a little different. But considering the average person in Palestine is 18 to 19 years old. Age groups over that rapidly dwindling. It’s pretty much a foregone conclusion that at least half, if not more, would be children.
Oh, I don’t doubt the Israelis are killing a crapload of children. I just would rather see the exact numbers from a more neutral party.
You’ll never see exact numbers. Some people don’t have anyone to report them missing, some bodies are never identified, and some are never found or completely destroyed.
That is a thought that terrifies me more than any other.
Yes 5000 is horrifically high. And if there’s anything we’ve learned from watching the atrocities unfold over the last 70 years. Is that you don’t believe either side without evidence.
Ukraine’s total death toll is only 8000/9000 so far. 5000 in two weeks is genocidal.
Thats not even unrealistic to me when I remember the fact Gazas been bombed more in two weeks that Afghanistan ever got in a full years time. Afghanistan has a land area of a quarter of a million square miles and Gaza has an area of under 150 square miles.
it is such a weird angle to take, since the Gaza concentration camp is shut off from the rest of the world, without power. Journalists are not allowed in, neither are any and all humanitarian organizations.
Until the apartheid state open up the Gaza concentration camp, we will just have to take their word for it.
When Israel makes any claims, the outside world can in one way or another visit, inspect and verify.
If Israel wants more certainty on statistics of innocent dead people, they should end their siege.
The WHO released some concerning numbers.
I know Lemmists here don’t trust anything from WHO but that’s all I got.
You’re absolutely right that there will be variance, and that each side has incentive to inflate death counts, etc. Other orgs will likely not produce their own numbers until after this mess is over. Check the Wiki pages or B’Tselem pages on previous assaults on Gaza to see how the numbers can vary, that’ll give you an idea at least.
This gut wrenching. Fuck those in power responsible for this.
Humans once again going batshit crazy with mass murder riding on a wave of vengeance. It’s a disease with no cure.
I’m honestly just so depressed.
Think of what Palestinians are going through if you feel this way. I had to stop looking at the corpses and small children being torn apart. But I don’t regret it, it only made my resolve stronger to counter the lies.
Me too.
I’m both sad and very angry about the situation, nothing news worthy so far makes me feel so powerless.
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Get the fuck outta here you terrorist apologist fucking scumbag. PALESTINIANS have the right to self defense, but Hamas is a terrorist group that murders civilians. They can all burn in hell with Isreal’s leaders.
Israel is using terrorist means. This time we are the terrorists
No personal attacks please.
Terrorist apologists must be destroyed in sight.
Good luck destroying terrorist apologists from your basement.
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They do support Hamas. That is a fact.
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“By a jew organization”. Racist loaded fucking language there, buddy. You clearly hsve some biases yourself. And remind me of when Nelson Mandela murdered people fleeing for their lives?
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Calling it Zionist would be the correct take. There are a lot of anti Zionist Jewish people and just regular folks who have nothing to do with Israel.
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You probably want to say Israeli or zionist not Jewish. There are a large minority of Jewish folks who want Israel to stop existing or at least stop existing as an apartheid state
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Hamas has been firing thousands of rockets at Isreali cities every single year since they came into existence, and Hamas’ stated goal is the eradication of Jews. The only reason Isreali casualties aren’t higher than Palestines is Isreal has the iron dome.
Hamas is a terrorist organization.
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Hamas has been firing rockets into Israel since well before the current apartheid.
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Israel gave land back to the Palestinians before, and the Palestinians just used that to attack from closer to Israeli cities. The Palestinians have never wanted peace.
that is the most laughably ignorant statement I’ve seen all day
Who started the 1948 Arab-Israeli war?
