not sure this is a true LAMF because he ran on a muslim ban. the leopard was eating your face ten years ago
Kamala Harris still won Wayne county and its electoral votes where Deerborn is located so this article is 100% bullshit aimed at blaming powerless people, Arabs and people who tried to pressure the democratic party to do the right thing even though it wasn’t their fault.
Donald Trump flipped nearly every other white county in Michigan to win that state.
Still face eating, nonetheless.
At least Kamala ain’t president! She might’ve refused to attack Iran and brought back Obama’s nuclear deal. Worse still, she may have not taken direct orders from Israel.
Worse still, she may have not taken direct orders from Israel.
Don’t get ahead of yourself.
I’m not saying she would’ve been great regarding Israeli policy, but Netanyahu wanted Trump for a reason. The Iran war and subsequent fuel price shock wouldn’t have happened.
Oh the media asks you mocking questions!? Look what you helped do to the world, Lebanon included. With mocking questions you’re getting off easy.
Project 2025 laid it all out in black and white. I do not understand all these fuckers whining about getting what they voted for.
He tried to enact a Muslim ban in his first term. These people are beyond stupid.
Trump claimed not to know anything about project 2025
Imagine being so fucking stupid you believe the words of fucking Trump of all people. That’s a level of stupid that should disqualify you from voting.
Trump claims a lot of things. Everything out of his mouth is a lie.
If he breathes, he’s lying.
the kind of people who might vote for him obviously don’t think that.
Every MAGA i know is a fucking racist clown. That’s their only real opinion.
and especially non-white magats
Which is why the leopards they voted for are growing fat on faces.
YA DON’T SAY
As a Muslim, I don’t blame anyone for abstaining. The choices were genocide or genocide+. Trump at least went to meet with some Mosque leaders in Dearborn Michigan. Kamala couldn’t even be bothered to do that.
The Democrats demonstrably abandoned us to our faces. Trump at least acted like he was going to care (which anyone could tell you was a lie, but he did make a show of it).
My parents, aunts, and uncles all seriously considered voting for Trump because we all felt abandoned by the Democrats.
Don’t blame us, the Democrats abandoned us to our faces.
And the democrats still won the county and thus the electoral vote Deerborn is in.
Edit: My brothers and sisters. My beloved family on the internet, please do not get harsh with each other. I was merely trying to demonstrate that this is a difficult issue and placing blame on the victims of a barbaric governmental system is ridiculous when it is the government to blame. Please be kind to one another. We are all victims of this cruel world. Let us instead grieve together. In Love. Bless all y’all
Well, to be kinder to them; their options were watch their family die, or a final hail Mary and maybe Trump can do something. He did seem to be pretty against the wars in the middle east, according to media. Which I know was deception. So, I dont fault them. I fault Harris for not just saying, “Yes. I will end Israel funding and end the war in Gaza.” She could have just done that and swept the win. But dems wanted to play party politics.
So, the people who are waking up every day to find a new family member dead, should not be faulted. The party that abandoned them should.
And lastly, put yourself in their shoes. You have two candidates. One says that what Israel is doing isn’t great, but isn’t bad and we should just keep rocking on. The other guy is the devil, but he’s saying that he’ll save your family. It’s hard to think when you’re in those situations.
Like most things, life is hard. It’s gray and nuanced and contradictory at times. But at the end of the day, it is what it is. We have no real control over elections anyway, because not enough people vote. Better to just read on the porch with a cup of coffee and watch the bombs drop wondering when it’ll end.
In his first term, Trump moved the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and recognized it as captial of Israel, with a lot of issues. Whoever thougt that he would be better for Gaza than Harris lied to themselves
Trumps friendship with Bibi is well documented
Well sure. If you have good information and pay attention. Many struggle constantly not to fall behind, let alone keep up with events. Or pierce the propaganda bubble constructed around us. And it didn’t help that people were hyper focused on Harris and Biden. Who did deserve it. But their focus allowed them to be manipulated and used to whitewash trump.
How much of the destruction of Gaza happened under Biden vs Trump.
Like fuck Trump but you liberals can’t even acknowledge the facts.
Not a liberal, not an american. I think most destruction happened under Netanyahu
It could have been any other isrsrli prime minister , he would do the same thing Satanyahu. Most of destrcution hapoened under a zionist regime funded by the united snakes
Ok, so you’re doing the exact thing I just pointed out. Can’t accept the facts of the situation.
No. We begged our family to listen to us. Begged them. These people weren’t fucking scared of shit. They are racist. That’s as deep as this goes.
My friend, please do not be angry with me. I was only speaking as to why the Arab community went for Trump. It is difficult to discuss politics. This kingdom, as many others will fall. Many people will die. Tale as old as time. Mashallah.
I don’t recall there ever being a time where Trump looked better for Palestine even if you believed him. The two candidates were at best tied on this particular issue but Trump so clearly was evil everywhere else
Trump did 2 half baked cease fire where the numbers of Palestinians dying significantly was reduced while Biden and Harris never wanted a cease fire they knew Israel was the obstacle yet blamed Hamas for it
During Biden
70% of all structures in Gaza were damaged or destroyed 92% of all housing units destroyed or damaged 88% of school buildings were damaged or destroyed 80% of key water, sanitation, and hygiene (WASH) facilities Only 16 out of 36 hospitals were partially functioning, facing critical shortages of fuel, medicine, and clean water. 75% of agricultural land, including orchards and greenhouses, was damaged or destroyed
So the only way for trump to be worst for Palestine is the expulsion of all the Gazans from the land. Harris also welcomed the bad “peace” plan of Trump
You’re getting downvoted but I don’t think you’re wrong so I’ll take some of your downvotes.
I’m not from the Middle East, but I have a close friend who is and has family in Lebanon. His experience has been what you’ve described.
I don’t care about downvotes lol
Yeah, I got friends/family out there, so I get it. Like most things in this world people draw a moral line in the sand and play the trolley problem. No answer is the right answer, unless that answer is zero violence.
Fascism is always the wrong fucking answer.
Mashallah
Here’s an alternative perspective on that alternative perspective.
Their Hail Mary as you described it relied on a known factor of persecution of immigrants of all types, the LGBTQ+ community, the entirety of anyone who is (or is perceived to be) a “leftist”, and women as a whole.
So, they were willing to sell out all those people to be thrown in known horrors that were only going to ratchet up even further for their Hail Mary.
Sure it’s a Sophie’s Choice situation maybe I guess but also. Fuck em.
They gambled with the future of so many people. Including their own.
Don’t worry I still blame the base of American voters who we all know are the ride or die’s for this bullshit but there’s enough blame to go around to look at those margins that pushed it past the tipping point.
Yeah, I “get it”.
But, as someone who’s in a few of those above categories it’s not something I’ll soon be forgiving nor forgetting.
So, you’re angry at them for being willing to throw the people who were willing to throw them under the bus under the bus?
The point is not “how dare they betray people who were already failing them.” The point is that, in trying to save themselves through a desperate gamble, they still made a choice that helped hand more power to someone whose openly stated agenda threatened a whole lot of other vulnerable people, including many who had nothing to do with their abandonment.
You can understand why someone makes a desperate choice without pretending the consequences disappear. Those are two different things.
So yes, the Democratic Party absolutely deserves blame for abandoning them, lying to them, and treating their lives as disposable. But that does not magically erase the fact that voting for Trump meant accepting the risk, or certainty, that immigrants, queer people, women, leftists, and plenty of others would be crushed harder too.
And that is the risk they accepted, same as many of those “immigrants, queer people, women, leftists, and plenty of others”, and I’m gonna guess you too, accepted the risk of supporting the party that, as you said yourself, “absolutely deserves blame for abandoning them, lying to them, and treating their lives as disposable”. And if you consider that something to neither forgive nor forget, then you also must understand that you did, in fact have something to do with their abandonment too.
What’s supporting? Putting trumps head onto Rambos body then putting that all over flags in your yard? Or how about driving around with a sticker on your truck that looked like Biden or kamala tied up in the back? How about GRAB THEM BY THE PUSSY, i would have aborted Tiffany, Epstein is a good guy he likes them young, oh hey look who raped a 13 year old child…
Yes you get judged for supporting that. I don’t give a fuck what stupid excuse you lie about today. There’s not a single example of this from the democrats no matter how shit they are.
Anarchist here. Sorry, not a democrat. I was in the streets literally fighting for them and others. Nice try though. Anyways, I have people to go feed. Good luck with this useless bullshit.
Unless, of course, they’re Arab-Americans. Never forget, never forgive, right?
They will feel the consequences for their choice as they fucking should.
Yes we are angry with them for choosing fascism. What the fuck is wrong with you for not understanding that?
I don’t give a fuck if you were threatened and told to punch me in the head. If you fucking do it I’m escalating that shit right back. Oh are you Victim? Well aren’t we all.
Consequences for actions is justice. It doesn’t matter if you’re too stupid to understand why you deserve those consequences.
Exactly. I punch you in the head with Harris, you’re gonna escalate that shit right back and punch me with Trump. Consequences for actions is justice. It doesn’t matter if you’re too stupid to understand why you deserve those consequences.
Last week, Ayad joined other Arab American leaders for a meeting with The Associated Press. Many of them had been deeply involved in conversations with both Democrat Kamala Harris’ and Trump’s campaigns as each courted their vote during the last presidential race.
“We get this all the time by media, okay? It’s basically, ‘How’d that decision go? How’d that work out for you?’” Ayad said.
Among the nearly dozen leaders — ranging from county commissioner to state lawmakers to business owners — there was wide agreement that life had not improved since Trump was sworn into office.
But there was little regret. Many said Democrats did not offer a viable alternative because Harris, the vice president at the time, did not distance herself enough from President Joe Biden’s support for Israel’s war in Gaza.
But there was little regret. Many said Democrats did not offer a viable alternative because Harris, the vice president at the time, did not distance herself enough from President Joe Biden’s support for Israel’s war in Gaza.
I have such a hard time understanding the sentiment. Trump’s very first act in office in 2017 was to pass the Muslim ban. “Harris hasn’t distanced herself sufficiently from Israel” seems a weird hill to die on when the other guy literally wants to erase your entire religion and culture from planet earth.
Rhetoric is one thing; actions are another. Trump 1’s actions weren’t significantly worse than those of past American presidents. Now many people absolutely knew Trump 2 would be much, much worse than Trump 1 (not on Gaza though, to be clear), but most didn’t know/denied that before he took office in January. IIRC the mayor of Dearborn said something like “Trump targeted us once and he’ll do it again, but we were able to stop him once and we’ll do it again.”
“Harris hasn’t distanced herself sufficiently from Israel”
Gencoide is never a weird hell to die on.
When you do it, making missteps to make it worse. It is in that instance.
This is incredibly disingenuous. The community in question didn’t support Donald Trump, and overwhelmingly voted 3rd party because Kamala Harris supported Israel’s genocide in Gaza.
Not only washing over that fact but blaming Trump’s second term on them is fucking atrocious reporting.
So, it’s ok if Trump destroys everything they love as long as a Democrat doesn’t do it.
Drank the kook-aid.
Yeah i mistyped it, but it’s staying.
I mean Arabs voting for democrats would also be a leopard’s ate my face so I really don’t know why this is here might as well sticky this post then another when the democrats are in power
You can fucking vote for someone else. Jesus fucking Christ.
Around 60% voted third party tho? Even without counting the abstained.
(Disclaimer this data is on Muslim voters, not Arab Americans specifically)
Brutal but I think these faces were going to get eaten no matter what. America has a long history of aiding Israel’s genocide.
I do think voters are learning how terrible aipac is and we might see them make decisions based on that. I’m skeptical bc voter memory is terrible.Cannot have both aipac and democracy
It’s about making the right choice. If you’re gonna get fucked in the ass regardless, no one is going to mock you when you pick the smaller pineapple.
“Helped propel Trump” is absolute copium. Only 40% of Arab Americans voted for Trump, not enough to overturn any swing state.
Hell looking at muslim voters as whole, only 21% voted for him. And also muslims make up about 2.5% of voters in US.
Tho not all Arab Americans are muslim so actual stats on that will be different.
whites need someone to blame that isnt the dems
It’s a cumulative effect along with people like the log cabin Republicans, Caitlyn Jenners, and Jill stans
The arab-american community, most of which can’t vote, and rest chose either third party or abstained. This is another “blame the immigrants” bs.
On what do you base your claim that most can’t vote?
Immigrants can’t vote. And non-immigrants make up 0.88% the 2020 population according to wikipedia.
Tho I looked into it and “Arab American” doesn’t refer to Immigrants so that’s my bad.
most of which can’t vote
Why is that?
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And Wayne County, where they are located, still went for Kamala and the way the US American electoral system works that means any of them who didn’t vote or voted for Trump had no effect on the overall election.
100% victim blaming liberal white supremacist nonsense.
How many white people voted for Trump?
do we feel personally attacked?
you shouldn’t…unless you actually voted for him…
Because it is racism to act like the arab community is a monolith and blame all of them for the war on Iran and trump winning
if that’s the case, it is racism to act like the white community is a monolith and blame all of them for the war on Iran and trump winning
right?
My comment was sarcastical. I just used the rhetoric and logic of this post to show the double standard
Normally I’m one to say we should be understanding and all that, but I honestly can’t understand Arabic people voting for anyone they thought had a chance to murder their relatives back home.Edit: I was wrong, I thought they had voted for trump or Harris but they actually voted third party or withheld their vote. I think thats morally consistent and we shouldnt blame them for anything trump has done. Saying they helped propel trump to victory is the only immoral thing here.
The Trump side was saying anti war things that were lies. The Harris side was saying there is no air between my policies and Joe Biden’s Israel policy.
I don’t think the numbers were massive of Arab voting for Trump but they just didn’t vote. The Dems thought that people would have no choice but to vote for a dem with Dick fucking Cheney’s daughter campaigning with her. They stayed home instead.
My bad I should have read more. I dont think we can blame them for voting third party or withholding their vote. Thats actually the only morally consistent thing they can do.
I thought they had actually voted for trump or Harris.
if you see an immediate danger and you have three options
- allow it to happen
- stop it from happening
- wish it would stop from happening
which do you think is going to be most effective?
Harris still won the county they live in, their vote went to Harris and it didn’t matter because every other, mostly white, county in Michigan flipped to Trump
it was all Michigan’s fault. makes total sense!
/s
It’s extremely fucking funny you say this considering the democrats were executing a fucking genocide and then these people “helped” stop the democrats from continuing executing the genocide.
#F
you failed the assignment.
ironically for the same reason why Trump was elected.
because you failed to understand the assignment of keeping Trump out of office at any cost.
you only wished the bad thing would stop happening, yet did nothing to help actually stop it from happening.
The bad thing of democrats prosecuting a genocide stopped
the happy stuff of independents barbecuing a banana jumped
edit: sorry, I thought we were just saying nonsensical shit now.
I’m sorry but I still blame them along with the dems. It is unimaginably tragic that Harris couldn’t just say Gaza bad we will stop it, but Trump was still worse on Gaza among the litany of other reasons why he was a terrible person to vote for. If there was ever an election to truly vote against the greater evil, it was this one, and now the entire world is paying the price for it.
I think people hoped kamala would listen to their protests and advocate for change, but she did the opposite. I would never be able to vote for someone if they couldn’t at least commit to not murdering my family members. I dont see how thats controversial.
Sounds like Democrats want to shame people that didn’t vote for them
You must be new here. From the sidebar:
If you don’t know what “Leopards ate my Face” is, try reading this post.
And the article still sounds like Democrats trying to shame people into voting for them.
Swear people need help with the concept of mutually exclusive
You get what you voted for
Well conservatives do at least.
Did I get jill stien?
nope, you got the Trump hellscape package because you failed to read the room and instead decided to place your faith in wishful thinking.
How does reading the room factor in?
I know what it means. I’m asking how it factors in
You think you are funny but you will suffer too
would there have been significantly less suffering had Harris won?
whose fault is it that Trump won?
whose fault is it that Trump won?
The 77,303,568 of Americans who voted for Trump
would there have been significantly less suffering had Harris won?
Irrelevant. The 41% of arab who voted for her are not responsible for the 42% who voted for Trump
so the school of dead little Iranian girls is irrelevant now?
are the 73,459 dead Palestinians irrelevant now?
what about the 10,000 dead Iranians? are they irrelevant now?
at least 95% of those people would be alive now if Trump had lost.
He won because a significant amount American voters decided to fuck around and vote independent or not vote at all out of protest.
remind me again, when was the last time an independent was president?
sure sounds like they placed all their hopes and wishes on fixing the wrong thing at the wrong time. because of that, we sit here in our burning building waiting to be rescued from a fire 2/3 of America set.
Biden and harris was aware about israel preparing to attack Iran during their administration and let it happen. They was never going to stop israel from bombing those schools and would have still fund the war. You just mad that your terrorists in the terrorist army of the united snakes are getting injured and that your life is going to get worst with inflation
Chariots of Fire (2022): A month-long exercise that simulated a multi-front war, including long-range strike capabilities specifically designed to reach Iranian nuclear facilities.
Juniper Oak (2023): The largest-ever joint U.S.-Israel military exercise.
Date Aerial Refueling Readiness (2021-2024) : Israel accelerated the acquisition and testing of KC-46A Pegasus tankers to enable fighter jets (like the F-35) to reach Iran and return without landing in neighboring countries.
are the 73,459 dead Palestinians irrelevant now?
Most of them was killed during Biden. Biden, Harris and Trump should all rot in jail for their complicity with genocide and not any type of genocide a genocide of extermination
The audacity of cultists like you who only mention gaza when Biden or Harris is mentioned accusing me who regularly post about Israeli and Americans war crimes that I do not care about Palestinians . Have some shame please
Edit: Biden did not oppose Israel bombing Iranian oil facilities https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3rljzepw5yo
holy shit I can’t even take your argument seriously because you can’t even get “was” and “were” straight.
I say this with all sincerity as a way for you to correct yourself for the future. when you speak like an idiot, you will be treated like an idiot. your message and opinion do not even apply.
Of course, when you have no more stupid arguments, you start shaming people who have English as a third language. You are pathetic.
you’re on a thread that is speaking English. about a topic that pertains to American politics. you never mentioned that you didn’t speak English fluently.
I think the problem is you have a failure to communicate.
you don’t see me going to other language specific communities and discussing local politics to the members there. why not? because I have no good reason to do so.
I’m not going to make myself look like a fucking idiot by talking out of my ass in another language about topics I haven’t a single clue about. I do that just fine in English about American politics where I at least have the right to talk about it because I fucking live here.
what’s your excuse?
We’re all suffering, and I assure you that none of us find this shit funny.
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