• Hypx@kbin.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    arrow-down
    21
    ·
    1 year ago

    A cellphone is not a car. Nor is a personal computer.

    A BEV has fundamental problems that cannot be solved. It’s worth noting that they are an older idea than combustion cars. It is in many ways, totally obsolete.

    • Blue@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      11
      ·
      1 year ago

      Ok I stand corrected, you definitely are deranged or you are literally a paid shill of Exxon, which in this case would be the same thing.

      • Hypx@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        11
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        So when Joe Biden announces a huge pro-hydrogen program, is he a paid shill of Exxon?

        Honestly, some of you guys are so deluded, it goes beyond projecting. You guys are seriously brainwashed by Musk. Some of you will sell out the entirety of the climate change movement if it means validation by a Fascist.

        • Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          1 year ago

          lol we hate Musk. We dont like Teslas shitty cars. We do like EVs since they keep the air pollution outside of big cities and if used with renewable energies they are the best alternative to fossil fuel car travel we have.

            • Pipoca@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              The problem with FCEVs right now is cost.

              First of all, we already have good electric distribution infrastructure, but don’t have an industrially-sized hydrogen distribution infrastructure. It’s way easier to install a new charging site than a new hydrogen refueling site. Building hydrogen out will be expensive, unless you’re talking about vehicles with a centralized depot, like busses or ferries.

              Second, fuel cells aren’t really that efficient right now, and neither is electrolysis. Due to losses at each step, 100 miles worth of green hydrogen is way, way more expensive than 100 miles worth of electricity.

              With more research, that could change. But for now, there’s a reason you don’t see many FCEVs.

              • Hypx@kbin.social
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                The same story was said about wind, solar, even BEVs too. They all had to be expensive before they hit mass production.

                But the advantage of FCEVs is that they have very low resource requirements. The cost floor is much below that of BEVs. Eventually, they will be as cheap as ICE cars or less, and the fuel will be cheaper than gasoline.

                The efficiency argument is hugely exaggerated and is mostly coming from BEV companies. Even if you believe it, you should be aware that photovoltaics are terribly inefficient. But it doesn’t matter because solar is made from sand and sunlight is everywhere. Hydrogen has the same idea going for it. Made from water and renewable energy, it too will be extremely cheap.

          • Hypx@kbin.social
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            6
            ·
            1 year ago

            Then explain the vast number of European politicians also supporting expansion of hydrogen? Are they all part of the fossil fuel lobby?

            • Honytawk@lemmy.zip
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              Yes.

              The fossil fuel industry has enormous pockets. And politicians aren’t known to understand the technology they are peddling.

              • Hypx@kbin.social
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                0
                arrow-down
                5
                ·
                1 year ago

                “Everyone on the left is brainwashed by the oil companies. But me, supporting a position only held by one Fascist, is definitely not the crazy one here.”

    • Honytawk@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      1 year ago

      Funny, cause an combustion car has a lot bigger issues that can not be fixed and need to be addressed right now.

      Which shares the same problems with hydrogen cars, btw.

      • Hypx@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        1 year ago

        FCEVs don’t have the problem of combustion cars. It is the natural follow-up to them.