Don’t end it Anon, you just struck it rich my dude. The police tear apart your parents home looking for a nonexistent meth lab run by a nonexistent student and a photo as evidence which is a top search result?
The police union basically just handed your family 10 Million Dollars after a brief lawsuit against the city.
Man, that might happen for a high profile family/person. For average people in many places in the US, they’ll be lucky if the police even pay out to cover damages to property, nevermind anything else.
Edit: and yes, I know this is just a green text and not a real story.
And you don’t seem to take into consideration how rarely people sue. A lot of open and shut cases aren’t pursued because the public doesn’t know they can.
Yeah, 10 million might be a stretch. But the city I used to work in would immediately settle for 250k for something like that. Lawyers are expensive, and losing is more expensive
10M was a stretch for sure, but a family in Jolliet recently got 2.9M USD for the police raiding the wrong house and quite a while back Dr. Lawrence Crosby got 1.25M USD for the police arresting him for the theft of his own car based on an anonymous tip.
Those are accidents vs the op which was not an accident. It was legit the right place and searching for the right thing. They had some evidence to do the search legally. So your comment and this hypothetical aren’t quite the same.
The judge and jury don’t know about the accident. The judge and jury will see that police raided an older couple’s house based on at most a stock photo, an anonymous tinder account, a photo of school laboratory from an unknown source (anon’s not even a real chemist), and an IP address which can be spoofed.
In fact, they don’t even know anon is involved at all.
And anywhere outside the US, home searches are nearly always legal since they must be signed by a judge. And judges rarely rule against their own.
Over here in Germany, where the inviolability of the home is in the constitution, the suspicion of any crime suffices for getting your home searched. This includes filesharing, spraying graffiti or insulting someone on the internet by calling them a dick. Plus, any resulting damages are only paid if you are found not guilty.
That’s wild that insults are a crime there, I never knew that. Quite funny back and forth, though. I laughed at how the writing got more and more chaotic haha
As for your other comment, the US also requires a judge to sign off on a warrant for raiding/searching someone’s home. Some judges are more strict about it than others, and the more high profile you are, the more the judges tend to be stricter with approving them.
However, if you’re in a poorer area and you’re not rich, it’s not unheard of for home raids to occur quite liberally. Hell, one of my old coworkers got raided a few years ago due to the police going to the wrong address (the intended house was across the street). And no, the police didn’t give shit for compensation and his family couldn’t afford to take it to court. He also just didn’t want to deal with potential repercussions of the police harassing him afterwards since he’s an immigrant (here legally, but yeah, lots of people here don’t care about that…).
10M was a stretch for sure, but a family in Jolliet recently got 2.9M USD for the police raiding the wrong house and quite a while back Dr. Lawrence Crosby got 1.25M USD for the police arresting him for the theft of his own car based on an anonymous tip, which is about as much “probable cause” as this case.
“All of the evidence they needed” was a big pile of absolutely nothing and nobody. They didn’t even have a suspect or they would have known nobody who matched the description lived in that house and they don’t even know about OP at all or they would have gone to find where he lived.
All the evidence you would need for a search warrant is someone openly saying they are manufacturing and actively seeking buyers. The suspect uploaded a picture of himself!
I have no idea what you think the bar for a search warrant is, but it is easily met. It’s a search warrant. It’s not a criminal conviction. It’s just a search warrant. You seem to think a search warrant is some hugely elaborate thing that takes a smoking gun to get, and it’s not.
Someone who exists maybe. If you get a warrant for a mysterious figure after providing a random IP Address, pictures of a school, and a stock photo, then you use that warrant to RAID the home of two unrelated older adults, guess what? Your ass is getting sued into the fucking ground, mate.
I don’t get what you’re not understanding here. This hypothetical might be silly, but the results would be obvious.
Are you serious? He literally exists and literally uploaded a photo of himself. He literally said he’s making drugs. And he was literally soliciting buyers. A “RAID”, you make it sound like a SWAT team descended and a tactical vehicle broke down the walls lol. It will be a few officers knocking on the door, presenting the search warrant and quickly going inside.
Sued? Dude you get a search warrant from judge (the criteria of which are easily met), which means the search is legal. There was no excessive force mentioned. Tearing up the house is a common phrase to mean they are looking through everything and moving things around to look. Lol no one is getting sued because everything was legal.
Sorry but this is comical that you think everyone is getting sued. Sorry but you have no idea what you’re talking about. Well I guess this is lemmy and it’s all ACAB and now all cops are sued all the time or something lol. I can’t explain it any better so I guess I’m out.
If they had any fucking clue who that person was they would have gotten a warrant to raid his home. They used the IP address as evidence, they have no idea who OP is.
Don’t end it Anon, you just struck it rich my dude. The police tear apart your parents home looking for a nonexistent meth lab run by a nonexistent student and a photo as evidence which is a top search result?
The police union basically just handed your family 10 Million Dollars after a brief lawsuit against the city.
Man, that might happen for a high profile family/person. For average people in many places in the US, they’ll be lucky if the police even pay out to cover damages to property, nevermind anything else.
Edit: and yes, I know this is just a green text and not a real story.
They’ll be lucky if the police don’t kill them in the raid.
Very easy to tell whether they will get killed during the raid, simply follow the Standard Police Academy Appropriate Force chart:
There are tons of examples counter to your claim.
A lot of the settlements probably don’t even get reported on at the request of the city in question.
While true, your hypothesis doesn’t take into consideration how often the police fuck up.
And you don’t seem to take into consideration how rarely people sue. A lot of open and shut cases aren’t pursued because the public doesn’t know they can.
Yeah, 10 million might be a stretch. But the city I used to work in would immediately settle for 250k for something like that. Lawyers are expensive, and losing is more expensive
10M was a stretch for sure, but a family in Jolliet recently got 2.9M USD for the police raiding the wrong house and quite a while back Dr. Lawrence Crosby got 1.25M USD for the police arresting him for the theft of his own car based on an anonymous tip.
Those are accidents vs the op which was not an accident. It was legit the right place and searching for the right thing. They had some evidence to do the search legally. So your comment and this hypothetical aren’t quite the same.
The judge and jury don’t know about the accident. The judge and jury will see that police raided an older couple’s house based on at most a stock photo, an anonymous tinder account, a photo of school laboratory from an unknown source (anon’s not even a real chemist), and an IP address which can be spoofed.
In fact, they don’t even know anon is involved at all.
And anywhere outside the US, home searches are nearly always legal since they must be signed by a judge. And judges rarely rule against their own.
Over here in Germany, where the inviolability of the home is in the constitution, the suspicion of any crime suffices for getting your home searched. This includes filesharing, spraying graffiti or insulting someone on the internet by calling them a dick. Plus, any resulting damages are only paid if you are found not guilty.
calling someone a dick is a crime??
https://archive.is/RsyNC [unpaywalled Washington Post link]
Some reactions:
The text above reads: “Special Police Unit Wall and Color”
The text below: “Andy, you are such 1 dick.”
Later the police arrived:
But again:
And the cops came back:
But finally:
By the way, the case was finally dropped. Only because the outrage made them not pursue it though. Courts would have likely ruled this was an insult.
That’s wild that insults are a crime there, I never knew that. Quite funny back and forth, though. I laughed at how the writing got more and more chaotic haha
As for your other comment, the US also requires a judge to sign off on a warrant for raiding/searching someone’s home. Some judges are more strict about it than others, and the more high profile you are, the more the judges tend to be stricter with approving them.
However, if you’re in a poorer area and you’re not rich, it’s not unheard of for home raids to occur quite liberally. Hell, one of my old coworkers got raided a few years ago due to the police going to the wrong address (the intended house was across the street). And no, the police didn’t give shit for compensation and his family couldn’t afford to take it to court. He also just didn’t want to deal with potential repercussions of the police harassing him afterwards since he’s an immigrant (here legally, but yeah, lots of people here don’t care about that…).
I don’t think cops are liable for damages even in a case like this.
Probable cause is a whole ass bitch.
10M was a stretch for sure, but a family in Jolliet recently got 2.9M USD for the police raiding the wrong house and quite a while back Dr. Lawrence Crosby got 1.25M USD for the police arresting him for the theft of his own car based on an anonymous tip, which is about as much “probable cause” as this case.
But the police raided the right house. They had all the evidence they needed for a warrant. You have this all backwards.
“All of the evidence they needed” was a big pile of absolutely nothing and nobody. They didn’t even have a suspect or they would have known nobody who matched the description lived in that house and they don’t even know about OP at all or they would have gone to find where he lived.
All the evidence you would need for a search warrant is someone openly saying they are manufacturing and actively seeking buyers. The suspect uploaded a picture of himself!
I have no idea what you think the bar for a search warrant is, but it is easily met. It’s a search warrant. It’s not a criminal conviction. It’s just a search warrant. You seem to think a search warrant is some hugely elaborate thing that takes a smoking gun to get, and it’s not.
Someone who exists maybe. If you get a warrant for a mysterious figure after providing a random IP Address, pictures of a school, and a stock photo, then you use that warrant to RAID the home of two unrelated older adults, guess what? Your ass is getting sued into the fucking ground, mate.
I don’t get what you’re not understanding here. This hypothetical might be silly, but the results would be obvious.
Are you serious? He literally exists and literally uploaded a photo of himself. He literally said he’s making drugs. And he was literally soliciting buyers. A “RAID”, you make it sound like a SWAT team descended and a tactical vehicle broke down the walls lol. It will be a few officers knocking on the door, presenting the search warrant and quickly going inside.
Sued? Dude you get a search warrant from judge (the criteria of which are easily met), which means the search is legal. There was no excessive force mentioned. Tearing up the house is a common phrase to mean they are looking through everything and moving things around to look. Lol no one is getting sued because everything was legal.
Sorry but this is comical that you think everyone is getting sued. Sorry but you have no idea what you’re talking about. Well I guess this is lemmy and it’s all ACAB and now all cops are sued all the time or something lol. I can’t explain it any better so I guess I’m out.
If they had any fucking clue who that person was they would have gotten a warrant to raid his home. They used the IP address as evidence, they have no idea who OP is.
Plenty of places would happily pay a couple of million not to find out
A brief lawsuit that will only exist if you are wealthy or can find contingency representation.
Maybe, but it may take a couple years to see any of that money…