This, the health care CEO death, organized shoplifting raids, corporate vandalism, attacks on CEO houses and HQs, etc, are all examples of the Free Market at work.
That health care CEO’s policies became so restrictive and unfair that they eventually spawned a customer so angry he corrected the problem. As a result, that dead CEOs company eased their restrictions, and so did all the other companies. That is a textbook example of Free Market forces at work.
Don’t pay your people enough, maybe they burn your entire inventory. Eventually, when that stops working, the punishments will get worse.
Remember, always take out the body guards first.
That health care CEO’s policies became so restrictive and unfair that they eventually spawned a customer so angry he corrected the problem.
they corrected the problem. We still have no idea who that anonymous hero was. All we know is it wasn’t Luigi, as he was playing Mario Kart with me across the country at the time. I remember it distinctly because he doesn’t play the character you’d think he would.
Luigi, as it happens, mains Toad. And he’s tired of being asked about it. I know because I was also playing Mario kart with him at the time. It was quite the party.
Valid. SOMEBODY corrected the problem.
We just need a lot more somebody’s because United simply plugged in another “somebody” to replace the dude, same as Turning Point. It’s like there’s an endless supply of nobodies to fill seats. Which should tell the people filling the seats how unremarkable and meaningless their lives are; your work and achievements have no value in themselves, you’re easily replaceable, and your “funeral” won’t be a celebration or memorial of you as an individual but a launch party for whoever comes next.
It’s because the machine is the problem. Not the person driving it.
Exactly. As I replied to someone else, taking out one might scare them enough to offer lip service “change”, but they’ll play along with that idea until they’re convinced we’re not pissed enough to go to that level again and quietly start building back what they want.
They just see the dollar signs involved.
It doesn’t matter that he got replaced, because the replacement learned the lesson, and eased their restrictions. That’s the goal, to make them respond in our favor.
Eventually, he will respond to pressure from shareholders and the board, and increase restrictions again, and then the entire building will have to come down.
Tim Noel has been at United for almost 20yrs and is onboard with continuing the mission Brian was helming. The system may have been shocked that someone fought back, might even have responded in our favor, but without continued observation and pressure, they’ll quietly transition back to the model they want to operate once the hubbub and anger dies down. They’ve also beefed up their security and gone to ground with anything the public could access that might give them personal information about who’s up to what. Look at what has happened again and again with demands for police reform in this country. Every once in awhile some cops will behave so egregiously even the thin blue line will offer them up as consolation prize to appease the masses, they’ll announce some joint venture with a reform group to “address” the issues, put their cops through some classes of their own choosing- but it’s the bare minimum and mostly in the hope that some fresh outrage will start trending and people will forget what they were mad about five minutes ago. Then we’re caught in the cycle of momentary violence boiling over but no sustained change.
Oh, yeah, I’m not convincing myself that sustained change will come from this, but it did change for a minute, and that’s the point. They know how to behave, and when forced to, they will, but we also know they’ll go right back to being shitheads, first chance they get.
So we just have to stay on them, keep legislating against them, keep regulating them. Mostly we have to slap them down when they start talking back, and acting like they are more important than the rest of us. They are not, we are.
We citizens are the reason this nation exists, not the wealthy. The wealthy are here to serve US, not the other way around. If their corporations aren’t serving the American people, and if in fact they are damaging American interests and society, the Oligarch in charge should be imprisoned, their company should be confiscated, and operated by those who will prioritize responsibly.
Shareholders will unhappily lose their investments, and in the future they will learn to encourage their CEOs to behave within the law and reasonable society.
Just don’t forget that many of the shareholders are not in fact “the rich”, but the “better than average” middle class who will hand power to the filthy rich so long as those in power will keep punching down the lowest class on their behalf. We are surrounded by ladder-pullers and gate-keepers who have a lot more in common with the rest of us than they do their billionaire idols, but will fight to keep the illusion that they are superior. It’s a class war, but it’s also a class civil war since a lot of our peers are convinced their participation makes them a part of the club. The change won’t happen until we can convince our neighbors empowering leaders and systems that promise them the world will, in fact, just use their cash/votes to enrich themselves and occasionally toss some bread and a circus.
I think where that employee went wrong was in admitting he did it.
Goddamn hero
A symbol of heroism. The true heroes are those that don’t burn down the warehouse. They’re the ones that arm themselves and seize it.
We can all relate with getting fed up and doing this in a moment of rage and frustration. But directing that rage together is how we actually win.
Yeah, sure thing buddy.
If you seize property, the police will just un-seize it.
If you set fire to property, it stays set fire to.
Yup. Things like the Tesla dealerships vandalism were very effective. They actually led to musk being tamed somewhat.
I agree with the sentiment but the “it didn’t happen right away” argument would be true of either type of action.
Thankfully, we can look back at history for assistance. “Adventurism” or “the propaganda of the deed” have very often resulted in apathy within the masses and not in any revolutionary potential building.
So, you’re right. But things do take time to build movements that actually result in change. Thankfully we also have history to help direct us there as well.
The “Propaganda of the deed” has historical resulted in apathy just like yours. It’s why people cling to it. Enjoy it. But never actually go and do something to fight back. You sit back waiting for the next “deed” to make you feel good. Or maybe you are the small small fraction that go do the deed themselves.
Also, there is no rule that that says you can’t keep enjoying workers burn down warehouses. But criticizing actual militant workers actions that HAVE historically worked. The only reason you’d do that is either fear or apathy.
This isn’t something new. People have been trying to spark changes to society this way for centuries. There is literally mountains of literature written on the failures of the “propaganda of the deed”. You’re advocating for something that makes you feel good. Not that actually works.
Good point, lets learn from this and do better next time.
So in front of which Amazon wearhouse are we all meeting now?
We meet at many places now but you don’t show up to an Amazon warehouse armed as your first step. Not how that works.
Shit like that needs material support built. That will be highly dependent on your local area right now as there are no country wide movements.
But, if you’re looking to start doing something instead of nothing and you aren’t quite ready to burn a warehouse down then you can look for PSL or DSA in your area. You’ll at least be around people that are working for these things and likely be able to find local organizations from these relationships. Union resources, weapons training, etc.
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Not a hero, his action took from others. He could have been part of a unionization effort, instead he chose violence and harmed his peers. This isn’t the win you think it is and nothing good will come of it. Some of you need to grow the hell up.
Oh, shut the fuck up.
I’m sorry… But fuck you. You need to grow up, you tool.
His actions took from others who took from us. The profits from that inventory were going to to a tiny slice of humanity that didn’t earn it, don’t deserve it, and would take more if they could. They could have avoided all of it by taking less profit at the top, and spreading it among those who actually did the work and earned it, but the only consideration was how to take even more from the workers. They already took so much that it inspired one of their workers to burn it all down.
He didn’t kill anyone, at least nobody innocent, he just burned their MONEY. That’s what hurts them the most.
Reform or revolution.
-Rosa Luxembourg
Read a book and grow the hell up you capitalist sympathizer. (We are way past the point of no return when it comes to reform)
Advocating for unionization efforts is far more damaging to capitalism than adventurism.
I’m sorry comrade. You are advocating for “the propaganda of the deed” over someone directing people to one of the best and only forms of organization that exist in America.
Unions are where people feel solidarity. Unions are where people begin steps to radicalization when they realize organized efforts CAN improve their material conditions.
Rosa Luxembourg was also very critical of adventurism and the “propaganda of the deed”. So it’s ironic to quote her.
Pointing people to actually organize is not “reform”. We aren’t in a world that has a massive trade union party that is advocating against the socialists and working with the liberals to prevent their popularity from rising. If we get there I’ll have a conversation about unions being a part of “reform”.
I think you might have done some reading. But it definitely doesn’t sound like you’ve tried to apply any of it to the world you live in today.
We aren’t getting to revolution through adventurism.
Loooool this fuck still thinking words work. Unionize… okay sure yeah keep suffering and starving for another few years while the ceo and union bosses sign the right paperwork, right after brunch. Oh wait there was a spelling mistake. They will have a meeting on when to schedule a fucking meeting to sign a new deal. But hey you can keep choosing between skiping a meal for 6 days this week or getting your kid winter coat. They definitely will sign a deal some time next month. To what only find a 5$ /hr increase in pay but 2.50 has to go to the union for all their “hard work”.
I agree with you. But there is definitely a better way to communicate this. I tried to do my best in an above comment.
People don’t like having the air pulled out from the feeling of justice these types of “deeds” result in. This type of adventurism is not something that results in progress. I agree.
But, it is an opportunity to use that feeling as a means of propaganda for what actually does work. We all feel the frustration and rage that led to this act. Instead of taking the gas out of that feeling by focusing on criticism, it’s better to just redirect that feeling towards things that actually work.
This country has a history of militant labor unions seizing warehouses until demands are met. If people are angry enough to cheer on a warehouse being burnt down they should be open to ideas like that.
They either say “fuck yeah” or they are forced to recognize their own fear and apathy that causes them to cheer on this type of adventurism but remaining inactive themselves. “Hmmm, I’m not gonna go burn down a warehouse and hope other people do. What are other actual options beyond the useless political system we have?”
Sometimes the best way to communicate these things is to just acknowledge and communicate to the alienation people feel and directing it to the right resources.
No one reading this is gonna go burn down a warehouse; but they might unionize their workplace. They might go join socialist organizations.
This is how stupid greed is. They could have done anything they wanted if they just kept up anything remotely like New Deal policy.
But no. Greed is so fucking stupid, it can’t understand a limit to itself.
When Trump is the figurehead of our country, greed is mainstream.
Selfishness, mainstream.
Duplicitious behavior? Mainstream.
Pedophilia? Mainstream and apparently we’re supposed to accept that.
Some memes are timeless 🥰
One cannot seize the means of production without dismantling the police state that supports it. Toilet paper seems a good start. Even if all it does is drive Americans to bidets, I still see a net positive.
“I found god/in the sound/of your factories burning down/now I sleep so sound”
I can just hear the regressives foaming at the mouth in their dementia.
Gotta say dude has a pretty sick lighter too
But what happens when the people in the lighter factory burn down the building?
I guess we’ll rub two sticks together if we have to.
Should have been in the toilet paper business
I dooooooo love fire……
Exactly
Just leave us alone
