from @JonneyDangerous3326@lemm.ee 3 days ago

Hello I am sending you this message to let you know that lemmy.world, sopuli.xyz lemmy.dbzer0.com, lemmy.blahaj.zone, and probably a few others as well have defederated from your instance due to concerns regarding illegal material, specifically the hosting of loli content and rules allowing it on your instance.

Thank you for your understanding.

I am not sure how to proceed. If this were just a single user instance, I would just ignore this and move on, but I have you guys to think about as well.

It seems like the crux of the matter is the subrule allowing “loli” content.

If it’s for the good of the instance, I can remove that exception, but I felt that such a thing should be put up to a vote.

  • neo (he/him)@lemmy.comfysnug.spaceOPM
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    1 year ago

    As the voting was 2 for removal, 2 for keeping it, I am breaking the tie.

    Pornographic images of “lolicon” content will no longer be allowed.

    I will begin contacting admins that have defederated us due to this and seek to become re-federated.

  • JonneyDangerous3326@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    Here’s what I would recommend, I think it would be good to remove the rule exemption permitting loli considering it is actually illegal in the us due ti the PROTECT Act. Then afterwards because I know lemmy Instances won’t be so open to forgiveness I recommend changing the subdomain from lemmy to something else like lemmings or forum (can be whatever you want it just can’t be lemmy because that’s been defederated) and making the lemmy one redirect to that, then the instance will be able to Federate again and since the rule exemption that concerned everyone won’t be there you likely won’t get defederated again as long people here behave well.

    I can’t vote for any option here since I’m not a member, only make recommendations, I would recommend not allowing something that has a high probability of violating US law which could harm you legally. There have been people arrested for possession of loli before, it does happen.

  • Abyss@lemmy.comfysnug.space
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    1 year ago

    Although I don’t like the political strong-arming that defederation is allowing, I would still vote to remove the clause in this case.

    The Visual Novels community, and by extension the whole instance, have not contained the content in question. In the interest of keeping the community accessible to everyone and keeping the instance “comfy and snug” I think it is better to have our rules better conform with the wider lemmy community.

  • Spectacle8011@lemmy.comfysnug.space
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    1 year ago

    My vote is to remove the exception. For one thing, I don’t think anyone has ever posted “loli” content from this instance; at least not on the visualnovels community, so I don’t see this impacting any users. For another, popular opinion about “loli” content from Lemmy instance admins seems pretty clear. Personally, I have no interest in the content and would rather not see it, all moral and ethical dimensions aside. I think it’s likely the only reason most other instances haven’t de-federated this instance is because they don’t know about this instance or this exception yet.

    The communities I can no longer communicate with that I care about are:

    I don’t know how this instance would go about getting of the defederation list of these instances, though. To be honest, I don’t think it’s actually likely. But in my opinion, this is still worth doing before instances lemmy.comfysnug.space currently communicates with pre-emptively de-federate this instance.

  • Nerd02@lemmy.basedcount.com
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    1 year ago

    Not to worry king, we’ll never defederate you (as long as you keep it US law friendly).

    If you are wondering who did defederate you, you can check out this tool I made: https://defed.xyz
    It looks like you have 13 other instances blocking you, 9 of which I would consider as big ones.

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    1 year ago

    I’m the admin of lemm.ee, I was notified by a user that your instance has this rule. I understand that such content has not actually been posted on your instance, but even the existance of the rule allowing it is enough for me to defederate you guys, so I am watching this post carefully.

    I am not a user of this instance, so I of course have no say in how you set up your rules. Still, I would ask you to please consider that art depicting child sexual abuse is actually illegal in several countries. Perhaps even more importantly, such art can still be traumatic to victims of child abuse. I am fairly certain that the vast majority of people have no wish to ever to see such art. This is why I believe most instance admins will be defederating you if you keep this rule in place.