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I fucking HATE these clickbait headlines. Read the dang article and look at the quotes:
“I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need — three or four years if they need it— to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities,” he said during the broadcast. (emphasis added)
RFK is a total whackjob, but it’s pretty clear he’s talking about some kind of voluntary “farm therapy” (which probably isn’t demonstrably effective anyway) and not a concentration camp.
PLEASE we got enough bombastic language and clickbait over the Biden years. There are PLENTY of things wrong with the actual quote above without taking us into clickbait territory.
Let’s criticize him on the grounds of being scientific but proposing very un-scientific actions. Let’s criticize him for proposing ineffective solutions, but please, focus on his ACTUAL statement instead of trying to fluff it into some goddamn headline.
I actually like the idea, if they fund it.
I could go away for a year now questions asked.Assuming it is implemented as RFK says, I agree. I can see some people choosing to take some time on a farm to try to address their drug addictions.
Since neither Trump (nor RFK) have a track record of delivering, I will believe it when I see it. If people in the USA wrestling with drug addiction had a choice to work at a wellness farm it seems like a positive development to me. Since Team Trump is big on words and short on action, I won’t give them the benefit of the doubt here. I suspect it’s just another entry in the long list of stuff they talk about and then don’t actually do.
from the description it sounds like public healthcare, rehab. yea, it sounds good
Who decides IF THEY NEED IT ?
Voluntary, as in NYPD saying you’ll be arrested if you don’t voluntarily go into their overcrowded bedbug homeless shelter?
This is not as benign as you think. RFK already thinks vaccines annd prescribed meds are child abuse.
Time to add futurism.com to my block list. What a useless rag.
100% They are part of the death of journalism. Inaccurate, hyped headlines that disagree with the body of the article. Designed to get “engagement” and not to inform. Fuck them.
You clearly have not read the history of Nazi era labor camps. They had very nice sounding propaganda for Germans to believe too.
Don’t kid yourself. They mean forced labor camps.
I have read the history of Nazi era labor camps. I do not believe every outcome that occurred in Nazi Germany will occur here. Since neither Trump, nor RFK, is in charge yet, you and I can only conjecture about what they will do once they are in charge. I prefer to restrict my criticism to their stated plans instead of these hyperbolic statements, but you do you.
I guess under the same reasoning that this will be Nazi Germany, we will also be doing a land invasion of Mexico and/or Canada for more “living space”. If you don’t believe that to be true, then the best I can say is we will have a partial overlap with Nazi Germany. Assuming you do not believe there will be a land-invasion of our closest neighboring countries, can you explain what parts of Nazi Germany I can expect and what I cannot?
So far, I understand your reasoning to be that Trump and Co. have identical goals to Nazi Germany. I am curious how this meshes with Trump’s broad support of Israel, which would probably be in conflict with the antisemitism of Nazi Germany.
Sure, totally voluntary. With barbed wire, guards, prison gangs, and court orders. Just like the reform schools for teenagers.
You should go write for futurism.com.
This is exactly how the marketing for reform schools looks. They show pictures of happy kids doing fun things. And in reality they just torture kids into obedience.
Stop fucking sane washing him. “If they want to” is a dubious statement coming from anyone in this authoritarian administration.
The fact that he brings up “reparenting”, it seems fairly obvious that this is going to be done by authority of the state. He’s talking about taking people’s kids away from them if they medicate their children as recommended by their doctors.
Stop fucking sane washing him
You’ll notice I called him a “total whackjob”. I do not say he is sane. However, I wish to criticize what he ACTUALLY said instead of some bombastic caricature of his plan. In no way do I support or endorse RFK, but let’s be accurate with our criticism.
Focus on the topic at hand. Making up all these statements will just make people roll their eyes when or if it actually happens. Don’t be the boy who cried wolf.
Very well put. I have ‘outrage fatigue’ from the past couple of years. Since RFK and Trump have so many dubious plans and statements, can’t we find enough problems with what they have ACTUALLY said instead of having to catastrophize about the subtext of their words?
RFK endorses reparenting neurodivergent kids, and you want me to wait until it “actually happens”. Absolutely not!
Can you link a source for this?
Reading the actual quote makes it sound a lot WORSE.
Less like “farm therapy” and more like:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_to_the_Countryside_Movement
you have to ask yourself what is the actual goal of the incoming administration.
once you understand that, everything else will make sense.
I think this is how they plan on making up for immigrant labor.
But lol if you want systemic food shortages this is a great way to go. Farm labor isn’t easy, it can’t be carried out by someone who is addicted enough to the point that they need this farm to get better. Farm labor needs to be reliant and self-directed, and drug addicts are not reliable and can barely direct their lives.
People on depression or adhd meds are not necessarily drug addicts. I can’t believe we have such incompetent people in charge now.
The plan to make up for immigrant labor is prison labor. Tank the economy, further criminalize homelessness. Wouldn’t be shocked if debters prisons make a big comeback.
Seems the country is being run by lunatics, not sure how America is going to survive this. There’s no such thing as a planned and controlled economic collapse, wonder what happens if another country pounces on America while it’s trying to recover. All of this seems like a bad idea for national security too. What a mess.
I don’t think they’ll be much help without the Adderall.
Fuck that.
I strongly dislike how the argument hinges on the very movable goalpost of “illegal” drugs. It has this awful moralizing “protect the kids while we destroy privacy”, vibe to it.
At first I though this would require an end-run on HIPAA, but all they really need to do is re-schedule a bunch of therapeutic drugs. Or ignore the FDA entirely and just enforce a ban by edict (somehow) through a different agency. I don’t think we’ve ever seen federal agencies openly disagree like that before, but I think it’s possible. Also: big pharma may have something to say about all this.
Like a lot of the nonsense coming from this cabinet, it’ll test the crap out of state’s rights.
Pol Pot: why not go with the OG version?
That’s great Trump won’t last a day in the labor camp.
“Labor camps for thee, not for me.” -Trump
So they’re just already saying the “camps” part out loud, eh? I guess when you have Hitler’s playbook, you can move faster than Hitler did.
what the hell. staying in Canada.
As someone who takes Adderall I’m less worried about that than about him attempting to reschedule it to I from II
When it comes to the brainworm guy - if he really plans on banning vaccines - is he trying to kill off all the old people? Is he trying to kill off all the children?
This is part of some rural grift facilities which probably started with “trouble teens”. In recent years I’ve seen reports of these “farms” for “distressed” women. It’s usually a place with Ranch in the name. Example: https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2021/11/18/the-christian-maternity-ranch-in-texas-is-a-disaster-in-the-making/
Permaculture farms, for example, are already well known for relying on abusive work conditions. See Joel Salatin:
https://medium.com/permaculture-3-0/fall-of-a-hero-f9ac80a08c0c
Are these the same people that abduct teens at night and bring them to these camps where they die of dehydration?
Those are more like wilderness survival training, except nobody in charge has any wilderness survival training of their own.
He mentioned SSRIs in the article. Now I’m imagining a bunch of PTSD infantry combat vets laughing their ass off at the instructor.
What the actual fuck.
If he comes for my antidepressants he can haul me off but he can’t make me cooperate.
It’s going to be like those troubled teenager reform schools. They will torture non compliance.
I am not fan of RFK or any of this incoming administration, but I have to admit…those are going to be the most productive camps in the entire world! 🤣
