Summary
Berlin lawmaker Antje Kapek of the Green Party proposed introducing women-only carriages on the city’s underground trains to enhance safety, inspired by a similar approach in Tokyo.
Kapek cited rising nighttime attacks on women and crowded evening conditions as reasons for the measure, which is still a proposal without legislative backing.
Her suggestion follows a recent rape case on the Berlin metro. The city’s BVG transport authority expressed doubts, arguing current safety measures, including 250 security staff and emergency contact points, are sufficient.
Its not about fighting rapists, It’s about letting women have an environment where they can feel safe.
And why do they not feel safe? Because rapists.
This has “cover them up from head to toe so nobody gets any rapey thoughts” extremist Islam energy. That’s not solving the problem. The rapists will still be there when they disembark the train.
No need to reach as far as islam, with every rape story you have a crowd of shits that rush screaming “she wouldn’t have been raped if she wore proper clothes” and the like. The simple facts that rape victims feel ashamed to even talk about it shows that there is a big problem of defending rapists rather than victims, and the victims are instead shown as the cause of the assault.
You don’t have to be a rapist to make someone feel unsafe. Creeps and people who just keep hitting on women when they clearly don’t want them to exist as well.
I never understand why someone would feel offended by something like this. I doubt many people are riding public transit to make new friends. Most seem to want to be ignored there.
I’m of bear-like physique and I assume to a lone woman on a train car that has no clue who I am, potentially intimidating. Likely, I’d expect neither of us would pay each other much mind. If she decided to get up and move to an empty car, it probably still wouldn’t dawn on me right away why she moved, as I’m minding my own business. If I did realize, why should I be offended though? If anything, it’s a good strategic move on her part. She’s not there to get to know me, and she’s darned well not there to potentially get to know me in a negative way, no matter how slim the chance of that could be.
Should they require separate cars? Of course not. But I don’t see how it could be seen as ant-man. If your first thought is to be seriously angry at someone for not trusting a stranger, to me, that pretty much proves them right.
I’m mostly just sad when that happens. People do tend to consider me intimidating, but only very rarely scary, just as a roller-coaster might be intimidating but it’s not going to jump at you and strap you in so there’s no reason to fear it. On the contrary, I do tend to make people feel safe. Which then leads me to believe that those few people who actually are scared by my presence have completely fucked threat radars.
Then, OTOH, if you’re suppressing any urges to jump at people and strapping them in and looping them around yep people are going to notice that. You might not actually be doing it, ever, but the possibility is there and you’re going to be perceived differently, suppressed aggression is still visible in body language and at least their subconscious is going to pick up on it. People are going to be scared, at least a bit on edge, even if their threat radars aren’t fucked.
Nah they’re angry at themselves for not being at peace with themselves and projecting outwards, just as pretty much everyone else. SNAFU.
It is unfortunate. I try and be mindful around new people to look visibly happy, or at least not in a bad mood. But I can’t fault anyone for playing it safe. Especially since being harassed isn’t something you can undo or something anyone should have to build a tolerance for. They may have also been in a previous incident that we don’t know about.
If they’re overreacting or not isn’t really a strangers’ business. We start to venture into egocentrism to think their behaviors have anything to do with us. It’s just a live and let live thing. There’s plenty of people over been nice to, and they still never liked me for one reason or another, but it’s no biggie.
If it was a repeated thing, like they saw you every day and actively avoided you, that’s a somewhat different story, but some person we only see once, it’s not worth the mental energy to worry about it to me.
While making young men and boys feel like they’re dangerous wolves who people fear. That’s awesome for self esteem I hear
A significant number of men follow influencers who tell them exactly those things. They like being dangerous wolves that people fear, it is great for their self esteem.
The whole alpha thing? Wasn’t it found that the whole alpha wolf thing is only something that happens in captivity? They don’t do that in the wild
Doesn’t stop men from loving the idea. See the current adoration of rapist mike tyson on lemmy.
This isn’t about them. A disproportionate amount of women are victims of violence, sexual assault, and rape. Their safety should take priority over the feelings of others. If a man actually sympathizes with this they wouldn’t have their self esteem take a hit and would instead understand why actions like this are necessary as we work to address this issue in our society.
I was raped. I’m a man. Oh right, men aren’t victims, ever.
this person claims to be a lot of different kinds of victim in his comment history. however, some of them conflict with other things he has said. take his claims with a grain of salt, at least some of them are untrue.
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I never said that buddy.
Another safe environment is one where the woman reflexively punches the assailant’s gob, and the other men around look at him in a “what did you think would happen?” kind of way, backing her up, because self-defence is understood to be completely legitimate and justified.
Y’all need more shield maidens wherever it is that you’re from.