Trump has stated he will cut American aid to Ukraine, which makes a majority of total aid. Recently Zelensky stated that if Ukraine’s only hope for sovereignty is its own nuclear arsenal, they will build it.

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    11 hours ago

    The irony is that Ukraine had “the bomb”, but the US and its allies promised to protect them if they gave it up. Oops.

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      The US and Russia. Ya know, the Russia that’s murdering, raping, and torturing Ukrainians and claiming they shouldn’t exist like genocide

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      9 hours ago

      Since I see this claim constantly: where in the Budapest memorandum did they promise protection?

      Looking at the Wikipedia summary nowhere does anyone give security assurances similar to NATO article 5 or the even stronger worded mutual defense clause article 42 TEU of the EU. The closest it comes to is in the fourth point, but that is only in the case of nuclear weapons being used. Which obviously hasn’t happened yet. Beyond that it is just a promise not to attack, which Russia has broken, but every other singator has kept. And as far as I can see it does not contain anything that compells others to act on someone else’s breach.

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        That’s my understanding. Furthermore, they had the nuclear weapons of the soviet union. Even if they could maintain them at the time, without much of the infrastructure that the soviet Union had, I think legally they were Moscow’s. Moscow held the metaphorical button, if not the physical one. Similar to US nuclear weapons in Germany aren’t controlled by Berlin.

        That being said, I think this whole war has lead to a situation where nuclear armament is very appealing, not just to Kyiv but to many of the similar states looking on. It is again, for world peace we need less nukes in the world, for Ukraine’s sovereign safety, they need (more) nukes.

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        And that was the issue of the memorandum - it should’ve included something akin to Article 5

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          Russia would have never signed on to that. Their whole argument about Ukraine is the constant advancement of NATO territories towards its border.

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        6 hours ago

        That’s the lesson here… They gave up their nuclear weapons for nothing.

        Zero benefit to the people

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        From what I understand, it primarily stems from that first stipulation, specifically from points 1 and 4 of the Helsinki Accords

        (1) Sovereign equality, respect for the rights inherent in sovereignty (4) Territorial integrity of states

        That said, it was very clearly done in a way that didn’t actually guarantee that protection, and assuming that the Ukrainians thought otherwise is frankly an insult to their intelligence.

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      This is like saying that Germany has the right to keep the American nukes stationed on its soil if the US was to ever leaver Germany.

      The soviet bombs were built, operated and guarded by a Russian department of the Russian Republic member of the Soviet union. what Ukraine signed on was a smooth repatriation of those nukes back to Russian. there is no real way Ukraine could have confiscated them even if they tried.