but like… the like/dislike buttons are there for the algorithm. they’re there to tweak your recommendations. always were. the problem with having the ratio visible is that people will brigade, and that “mainstreams” your recommendations, making them less useful. that’s why youtube removed the visible ratios. putting them back, and just for people with the plugin, means your recommendations will start to align only with the people who have the plugin. it literally becomes an echo chamber.
Like I said, many of us use like/dislike ratios to gain insight into quality of content; whether or not that was the intended use of the feature is really irrelevant.
You’re massively overstating the incidence of brigading. A tiny fraction of videos have experienced this. The idea that brigading is significantly affecting user recommendations and even causing them to align is hyperbolic nonsense.
well that’s good then. personally my experience with the dislike bar is mostly from siIvagunner, where videos with well-used tracks got shitloads of dislikes, more than the views of videos without them. this despite the quality of work put into them. i’m glad to be rid of that.
I have no experience with that channel. What makes you think it is being brigaded? Seems like a very unusual target. Given that it’s well-used tracks that appear to be affected, it seems to me that it may just be attracting a greater breadth of viewers - who are generally less familiar with the content and may have different expectations (and would be just as likely to downvote whether visible or not.)
back in the olden days of youtube, there was a channel named silvagunner. it uploaded video game music in high quality ripped straight from the game files. this channel is long since gone due to dmca, although it lives on as the lower-profile followup gilvasunner.
during the first channel’s reign though, a parody account was created called siIvagunner (that’s two i’s) which exactly copied the style and text formatting of the original channel, but replaced the tracks with “subtle” changes. this one is one of the more famous examples. if you haven’t heard the track in a while you may be lured into a sort of Mandela effect of “maybe it did always sound like this” and then they hit you with the full switch at the midpoint. hilarity ensues. this is, truly, a high-quality video game rip.
siIvagunner is a really popular channel, and is run by committee. they have a vetting team, and scores of people have contributed tracks. like with everything, there have been trends in what content is included in the rips. from absolute dogshit to frankly insane effort, you at least know you’re in for a laugh when they upload (which they do a lot; for a while they averaged one track an hour). these trends usually take the form of one track being parts of many rips at once, with different spins.
some people, who i think must have thought that their taste was objective or something, took it upon themselves to police the meme quality of the videos. for a while, it was customary to downvote any rip containing a specific track from the Love Live series, regardless of quality, to simply “warn others”. this brigading was so common they even made memes about it.
ok, intro over. fact is, brigading occurred. my point is, this has a snowball effect. we know for a fact that only a small percentage of viewers actually like or dislike, which means that when it’s applied as consistently as it was here, great videos are skipped due to some people downvoting out of some sense of “community service”. siIva, of course by it’s very nature can’t make money, but this is in my opinion indicative of a common issue with the platform.
but like… the like/dislike buttons are there for the algorithm. they’re there to tweak your recommendations. always were. the problem with having the ratio visible is that people will brigade, and that “mainstreams” your recommendations, making them less useful. that’s why youtube removed the visible ratios. putting them back, and just for people with the plugin, means your recommendations will start to align only with the people who have the plugin. it literally becomes an echo chamber.
Like I said, many of us use like/dislike ratios to gain insight into quality of content; whether or not that was the intended use of the feature is really irrelevant.
You’re massively overstating the incidence of brigading. A tiny fraction of videos have experienced this. The idea that brigading is significantly affecting user recommendations and even causing them to align is hyperbolic nonsense.
well that’s good then. personally my experience with the dislike bar is mostly from siIvagunner, where videos with well-used tracks got shitloads of dislikes, more than the views of videos without them. this despite the quality of work put into them. i’m glad to be rid of that.
I have no experience with that channel. What makes you think it is being brigaded? Seems like a very unusual target. Given that it’s well-used tracks that appear to be affected, it seems to me that it may just be attracting a greater breadth of viewers - who are generally less familiar with the content and may have different expectations (and would be just as likely to downvote whether visible or not.)
okay, this is going to require some introduction.
back in the olden days of youtube, there was a channel named silvagunner. it uploaded video game music in high quality ripped straight from the game files. this channel is long since gone due to dmca, although it lives on as the lower-profile followup gilvasunner.
during the first channel’s reign though, a parody account was created called siIvagunner (that’s two i’s) which exactly copied the style and text formatting of the original channel, but replaced the tracks with “subtle” changes. this one is one of the more famous examples. if you haven’t heard the track in a while you may be lured into a sort of Mandela effect of “maybe it did always sound like this” and then they hit you with the full switch at the midpoint. hilarity ensues. this is, truly, a high-quality video game rip.
siIvagunner is a really popular channel, and is run by committee. they have a vetting team, and scores of people have contributed tracks. like with everything, there have been trends in what content is included in the rips. from absolute dogshit to frankly insane effort, you at least know you’re in for a laugh when they upload (which they do a lot; for a while they averaged one track an hour). these trends usually take the form of one track being parts of many rips at once, with different spins.
some people, who i think must have thought that their taste was objective or something, took it upon themselves to police the meme quality of the videos. for a while, it was customary to downvote any rip containing a specific track from the Love Live series, regardless of quality, to simply “warn others”. this brigading was so common they even made memes about it.
ok, intro over. fact is, brigading occurred. my point is, this has a snowball effect. we know for a fact that only a small percentage of viewers actually like or dislike, which means that when it’s applied as consistently as it was here, great videos are skipped due to some people downvoting out of some sense of “community service”. siIva, of course by it’s very nature can’t make money, but this is in my opinion indicative of a common issue with the platform.