You call out Russia or China, MLs think if they regurgitate “read theory” that solves my issues with them.
You call out American liberals and how they aid fascists, you’re calling a secret Trump supporter.
You say that genocide is an evil action, liberals and Tankies will defend their favorite country’s actions because you’re a shill for the enemy if you do.
You say America did something kinda good, you’re somehow a neolib in disguise. You lightly praise the USSR, you’re Stalin’s second cousin as an AI.
I just don’t want people harmed by a government force. Fuck me, I guess? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills for applying the same morals to every politician and country, even ones I live in or slightly like.
Edit: If someone said it was annoying being an leftist and a bunch of liberals came in exusing their actions and doubling down, everyone would be singing a different tune. Just kinda fascinating.
Hahah I feel you. I completely block filtered any word to do with the israeli occupation of gaza because no one wants genuine discourse on that subject. It’s all attacks and angry.
As a centrist on Lemmy I feel you exactly. The political atmosphere here is so much more diverse than Reddit that 90% of people disagree with anything you say.
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from what you’ve typed here, it doesn’t sound like you’re expressing very thought-out arguments.
everything is a broad stroke or a defensive sarcastic poke.
your account is only 2 weeks old and this is your first post.
I just checked your comment history, a lot of your comments look designed to antagonize people and you use broad terms like fascist a lot without adding anything relevant to the conversation.
If you comment on specific policies without coming to a knee -jerk directly insulting holistic conclusion you probably won’t be called out as often.
imagine that the people you are talking to are real people and how willing they would be to engage with your ideas if you said to a person face to face the things you are writing.
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that has zero relation to my comment.
are you responding to somebody else?
I don’t know if Varyk’s claim of your style of engagement is true, I haven’t looked at your comment history, so I’ll respond to what you’ve faced regardless of if you’ve attracted more disagreement than strictly needed.
Being an anarchist, and being super direct and upfront about your views, is going you get you some ire no matter where you go.
The reason is, generally speaking, you’re looking through history and systems of power with a lens that makes the problems with those other systems quite glaring.
The people who have adopted those other systems and ideologies will have already accepted the cognitive dissonance that comes with them, and they’re not going to take kindly to your nuanced opinion that makes them have to reevaluate their cognitive dissonance again. It’s much easier to dismiss or attack you instead.
Now there are ways of softening your critiques and opinions to make them less liable to attract anger, such as adopting the Mr.Rogers style, but sometimes that can be too soft, depending on the context. You’ll have to decide when that’s appropriate for yourself.
Also, bear in mind that while sometimes your viewpoints and arguments will gather hatred no matter what you do, and it can seem hopeless to express your views, as though it does no good; there are many more neutral lurkers than there are people who engage with you directly, and you’ll be having an outsized impact on that group just by having that counter arguement or viewpoint available for them to compare, which may unknowingly be changing minds for the better.
Maybe its their right to tell you your opinions suck in their eyes
Also “liberals”, using that therm for US democrat voters will make you look like a Trump supporter in the eyes of basically everyone.
I see you’ve never seen the other half of Lemmy, aka “the tankies.” They know exactly what op means by liberals and they hate them more than they hate conservatives.
Oh, ive seen lemmygrad, but i don’t count them as people.
Although they use it the same way, anyone outside the reactionary in-group.
Liberal has an overloaded definiton. OP may have used liberal as an American Conservative might. I prefer using the term to describe the philosophy.
The term “right” is associated with Liberalism. Property rights is a Liberal idea and has included the right to own a human as a slave or to vote in an election for representation. The “marketplace of ideas” and “invisible hand of the free-market” are liberal ideas. The ideas have been assimilated by various political factions to suit their vision.
I would argue you have autonomy to tell me my ideas suck. I have Anarchist ideas like consensus, mutual aid and autonomy. I have the autonomy to choose goals I work toward. The product of my labor is mine. Humans are strongest when working together toward common goals. Working together requires respecting the autonomy of all. All power to all people.
Voting Republican or Democrat grows harder as both support a hierarchy where a Palestinian baby does not have the same right to life as an Israeli baby. With first-past-the-post voting, refusing to vote Democrat means being a Trump supporter. If it is troubling that the reality of the voting system does not capture the consent of the governed, maybe Liberalism isn’t for you. The system is working as intended.
Liberal is just used as a dog whistle in USA language it doesn’t have meaning anymore.
Liberal being a dog whistle is equivalent to Anarchy being a dog whistle. If words lack meaning there is nothing to discuss.
Oh the word doesn’t lack meaning, US people just verbally rape the word as a dog whistle.
I can agree that the current usage imparts more effort during conversation to establish a consensus of definitions. My hypothesis is that the effort for that establishment scales non-polynomially.
I wonder if there is research on how many people can walk away from a conversation with consensus of definitions. My guess is less than 20.
tbh like, have you tried any other social media? lemmy’s honestly pretty cool for anarchists comparatively, i suppose except for the fact that it’s too small to spend all your tine in explicitly anarchist spaces. Yeah it’s not amazing but that’s pretty nuch inevitable with any large and relatively diverse group of people
I have, lemmy is better than most. Better than most is still annoying.
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Get used to it, anarchists pick losing fights against the whole world
It’s cool, the whole world is about to pick a fight itself.
Too true
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Have you tried not repeating the same 5 talking points to anyone who doesn’t want to obey a state even if it’s “the people’s state”?
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Oh. Didn’t know that. Jesus.
Edit: oh it’s out of context nevermind.
The voice of Socialism must be as inspiring music to the ears of those in bondage, especially the weak black brethren, doubly enslaved, who are bowed to the earth and groan in despair beneath the burden of the centuries.
For myself, my heart goes to the Negro and I make no apology to any white man for it. In fact, when I see the poor, brutalized, outraged black victim, I feel a burning sense of guilt for his intellectual poverty and moral debasement that makes me blush for the unspeakable crimes committed by my own race.
Same piece it comes from.
You mean people have repeatedly pointed out you don’t hold the values of the person you named yourself after? Should that not prompt at least a little introspection?
Annoying being an anarchist (or variants, dv incoming) in life, pretty standard, every time I’ve tried, that’s your moral/ethical choice, stand by, take strength from whatever you do, and change what you can.
You’re wrong, having any firm opinion is annoying on Lemmy. Everyone here is the most difficult person in their social circle and we will throw hands
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Way to prove OPs point. You guys are just ridiculous.
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Ridiculous
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Instead of avoiding the issue by quibbling about definitions in order to serve authoritarianism… (standard tankie tactic)
Y’all could just oppose the overt oppression of a marginalized group.
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Next time look up “quibbling” before replying.
Oppression doesn’t need to meet your personal definition of “genocide” to be oppressive. Links in my other comment.
Y’all are just brainwashed fash. Alt-imperialists.
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Tankies proving once more they are happy to simp for any authoritarian state so long as they oppose US hegemony.
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Red fash really be in denial of reality. Swinging from that authoritarian D. Thinking that cornball is a real zinger. Can’t use a search engine.
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where are the actual muslims that actually live in that region decrying this?
The oppressor always blames the oppressed.
Since when does ‘deradicalization’ mean genocide?
Red fash are fashy.
If there’s really a genocide going on
Look up “quibbling”. Oppression doesn’t need to meet your definitions to be bad.
Enjoy those crackers in your word salad. Pathetic.
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They could but they wont, because for tankies, the ends always justify the means. Their main objective right now is to challenge US/Western military/geopolitical hegemony, so they are perfectly happy to just into bed with any genocidal dictator or religious fundamentalist who supports that cause. I mean, they say they really support trans people though, so I guess that makes up for all the times they’ve thrown their support behind Putin and the Iranians who famously are very progressive about lgbtq+ folks. /s
if we want anything to change we've got to do it on our own just know you're not aloneI have a theory that the more reasonable the political beliefs the less attention they garner and thus don’t become as popular. No one wants to have a boring conversation about things that are just objectily good. The people want discourse!
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