• Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works
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    25 days ago

    There is no perfect system, every system needs to be fought over, lest it gets overtaken by those working against you. Destroying the current system also destroys every benefit you already fought for.

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      25 days ago

      Getting rid of monarchy famously destroyed all the benefits that enlightenment brought the people. /s

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        Yeah, and as we all know it goes very smoothly with no long running issues. France in the early 1790s was a great place for all, if memory serves.

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            Anti-monarch, but anti-accellerationist too. I’m sure you can see what part I was responding to.

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                25 days ago

                Maybe not a necessity, but it’s there much more often than not.

                Everyone talks about destroying the system, but not nearly as much about the systems that are to be built in its place or how to transition between them without mass violence that is wanted and encouraged by accelerationists to take down the system. Sure, community self defence networks help, but you’re still at the mercy of whatever shithead takes the reigns in the inevitable power vacuum. Especially if you can’t make/keep a large enough coalition to keep everything from falling apart into everyone’s personal fiefdom.

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                  How are people supposed to solve these issues if they don’t feel like the current system is beyond reform? Defending the status quo will bring us nowhere.

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                    Defending the status quo will bring us nowhere.

                    And “Just do something” is a shit take unless you can figure out how to solve the problems without the chaos caused by destroying the system with nothing to take it’s place or to fill the vacuum left behind.

                    So many problems are exacerbated by well meaning people who want to 'just do something’s with no concept of the consequences or the knock-on effects of their actions.

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                  25 days ago

                  The connotationof fundamental critique? That the system is beyond reform? I’m not sure what you mean, so it can’t be that obvious.

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        Most monarchies didn’t get ‘destroyed’ and most peasants living under monarchies didn’t have much to lose to begin with. The world is much more interconnected now.

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          … just because the world is more interconnected doesn’t state anything about how much the people have to lose. Inequality in income is ridiculously high rn.