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    Name a democrat who genocided more than 100k people (conservative estimate) thus far other than Sharpknife himself.

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      I mean, we’ve got Buchanan, Nixon, Reagan, GWB, Hoover, and the wunderraper himself in there so like, yeah man

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        name a democrat

        names republicans

        though i’m not an american so idk all your 40 whatever it is presidents but all the ones i recognise there are republicans and im pretty sure that if the ones there are real old then well… it’s a totally different party to what it was? it’s not a team - its politics after all; things change

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          I mean his original comment didn’t specify democrat, and in his second comment, I didn’t think it was a worthwhile stipulation. Also, Nixon and Reagan still loom somewhat large over the modern Republican Party, and GWB and the wunderraper are both very recent republican presidents

          Edit: and I mean where he said the worst monster to occupy the White House, that seems to imply all former residents, no? Not just democrats

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            I specified genocide, also, like W killed a million Iraqis, but not for love of brown person blood and to replace them with the one subgroup of whites whose supremacy we still accept, and I maintain, Bibi will beat 1 mil. Probably in Gaza alone.

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          Yes, the ideology of the parties is always in flux and particularly now. Quick primer – originally you had the Democratic-Republican party and the Federalists, but the Federalists wanted the British to reconquer us in 1812, so they were banned and rebranded as the Whigs (which was what anti-royalists were called during the revolution to help unbrand them as traitors to Britain) meanwhile the Democratic-Republicans fell apart and Andrew Jackson created The Democracy! (Exclamation mark part of the proper name ala Yahoo!) Which held that all white men, even if they don’t currently own land should have the vote, and also that we should Israel-style kill as many of the native inhabitants in as horrible ways as we can. A generation later the Whigs fell apart via Buchanan being Biden-level awful, so the Federalist traitors of 1812 rebranded yet again to The Republican Party, which ironically calls itself the “Grand Old Party” despite being younger than The Democracy! Then there was the Civil War and you probably know most of the rest, but I think the modern GOP is becoming like the democrats of the 70’s, a mix of the religious and workers, and the DNC is becoming like the GOP of the Nixon era, professional autocrats and small business tyrants and social climbing college educateds, but it’s always in flux, which would make more parties clutch, but the duopoly cooperates to prevent that, and always have.

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        I specified democrat on purpose, but still… While Buchanan was bad, I’m unaware of specific genocide stuff, but it is just before the crazy northern Midwest wars with the native Americans you don’t learn about where I’m from so I guess I defer if you’re a Minnesotan but I don’t know. There’s obviously the race stuff, but I’m unaware of whites bombing black city blocks before the Tulsa Massacre

        Nixon with the Khmer Rouge will definitely challenge Biden’s net genocide numbers, but I have faith Bibi will get there.

        Reagan – while beheading people and stapling their hands onto the heads at a dinner table as a family is certainly macabre, I think in terms of overall numbers and population-wide decimation it’s a lower scale. Fucked up though, and anyone surviving who did that should hang at The Hague (is Ollie North still alive?)

        W – he killed a million Iraqis. I have faith Bibi can do better with Biden’s help, but he and Cheney and Alberto Gonzales are now dems, so… Not a good look

        Hoover – starved a great many by just capitalist ideology, but that’s not really genocide…

        Genocide Joe has signed onto and egged on behind the scenes while lying to us the genocide of all non-Jews in the middle east (at least). They just struck another christian community in northern Lebanon. You’ve probably never been to Lebanon, I have, there are dudes with AK-47’s behind sandbags at each ethnic enclave’s border, there’s no way Hezbollah was among christian Maronites, the Israelis (and Biden and Blinken and McGurk) are just extracting non-jewish blood for lebensraum.

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            We all do. The worst men our society has ever produced will come to power yet again no matter who wins while we burn children in their hospital beds and there’s effectively NO real resistance, and sheep like you LIKE this because they’ve broken you like an Indian elephant

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          starved a great many by just capitalist ideology, but that’s not really genocide…

          Genocide doesn’t require bloodthirst, it does just fine with sacrifice whole populations for some other goal or accepting those deaths as “collateral”. The UN definition supports this.

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            I’d argue the Hooverian starvation for capitalism is substantively different in racial context than Queen Victoria starving 70 million Africans and Indians for capitalism, AFAIK there was no “and now we’ll starve out the negro menace” but I am not a scholar of american history or this era so I am open to being wrong. Biden, Blinken, and McGurk are all currently egging on the Israeli ethno state in starving out and bombing the soulless non-jew monkeys who have no souls, including Christians like former GOP congressman Justin Amash’s family and random Lebanese Maronites, Armenians, etc

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              I am obliged to note that genocide does not need to be racial (it can target religion, sexuality, nationality, etc.), but your point stands because none of those apply either. I’ll just mark it in the Black Book of Capitalism and be content with that.

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                  Think the little red book was a bad strategy for its time because it’s essentially a collection of quotations, so it wasn’t good for systematic understanding of Mao’s thought. In the modern day the internet at least makes it somewhat better because the LRB has citations, so you can just look them up and see the context for the statement.

                  I’m kind of curious how the LRB came about, since it feels pretty condescending, but Mao was perhaps the most optimistic political leader I’ve ever heard of in terms of just giving the people a small bit of advice or a revised law and letting them handle the rest (this sometimes went extremely poorly, of course).