America is too big for planes, too. If your transportation solution is flying, now everyone has to get around via endless highways or big, complicated regional airports, and you can only have so many of those. There’s a reason why rural areas in North America have completely different politics from urban areas, and why so much of it is driven by a sense of isolation and abandonment. Trains promise to help here because they are able to stop in small places that will never, ever have practical airports.

A good rail network provides a reliable, consistent, repeatable, and straightforward three hour connection from Nowheresberg to the nearest city. Slow, but good enough to feel like they exist in the same planet. Unfortunately, that promise is subtle, and it plays out over decades, so the reward system we’ve created for ourselves is incapable of supporting it. And thus, we have Amtrak and confederate flags

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  • MNByChoice@midwest.socialEnglish
    701·
    30 days ago

    Rural America is covered in local airports. No large commercial carriers, but the airports exist.

    We need more rail. The argument starts from a bad premise.

      • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        6·
        30 days ago

        Why not though? Honest question, I’ve been to an airport that had a terminal of around 30 square metres with decent passenger service in the EU.

        I’d say it’s the flying that’s not scalable, not the airport footprints.

        • BakerBagel@midwest.socialEnglish
          8·
          30 days ago

          Most municipal airports can’t handle jet engine planes around here. They are all just small body, single engine aircraft on poorly maintained and non-level runways. They are fine for recreational flights, crop dusters, or flight instruction, but most rural airports here are little more than a few hangers and an administrative building with a runaway.

          • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyzEnglish
            3·
            30 days ago

            So the airport I’m talking about is Sønderborg, it also can’t service jets, the only passenger service operates 2-3 twin turboprop planes to Copenhagen and back. The airport is six hangars, the terminal literally is a single room with enough room for the passengers of a single plane.

            • BakerBagel@midwest.socialEnglish
              51·
              29 days ago

              I can see how small airports would make sense in Denmark since the landscape of islands and peninsulas makes direct paths by road or train nearly impossible. I’m in Ohio, which is comparable to Poland in geography. Rolling plains along a smooth coastline in the north with sizable hills and low mountains in the south. Flying from Toledo to Akron doesn’t make any sense since driving that is less than 2 hours, and so passenger rail would be a mich better option. You barely even see commercial flights from Cleveland to Cincinnati since the driving distance is doable for a day trip. A rail line connecting Cleveland, Columbus, and Cincinnati would be perfect for us instead of lots of tiny airlines.

        • AA5B@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          29 days ago

          I’ve tried to use them and they’re generally not affordable for most people, since you’re comparing to cost of driving a relatively short distance.

          • The town I grew up in had a small airport where you could buy a ticket on a prop plane to get you to a bigger airport to make your flight. But it was cheaper and easier to drive an hour, and buses are even cheaper
          • similar to where I went to college
          • now I live just outside a major city, but it’s possible to take a small plane to a nearby tourist destination. Sure it avoids traffic but you need a car there and it’s cheaper to pick an off time for travel and drive the two hours

          Edit to add: yes it’s also the airport that’s not scalable. A small airport requires minimal infrastructure, mostly provided by businesses. But for passenger service, someone needs to build a terminal, make sure there’s parking, have security staff on duty, install scanners, etc. d you have enough business to support that?

          • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyzEnglish
            3·
            30 days ago

            Yeah, I get that flying is not an ideal solution because of those reasons, but the aspect that was being talked about was airport footprints, which should be easier in the US than in the EU, with all that space.

      • rockSlayer@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        30 days ago

        Every county has a county seat. There’s nothing preventing the county seat from being a regional travel hub.

    • Cryophilia@lemmy.worldEnglish
      122·
      29 days ago

      Yeah this stupid-ass post was made by someone who has both never lived in a rural area, and never looked at Google Maps lol

    • greenskye@lemm.eeEnglish
      4·
      28 days ago

      Literally no idea how a regular person would actually use those for realistic transportation. I figured those places were for private jets, people learning to fly and cargo/farm/industrial flights.

      Would booking a flight on somebody’s cesna even work and be affordable/safe?

      • MNByChoice@midwest.socialEnglish
        2·
        28 days ago

        It takes a high level license to be paid to fly people.

        It is fairly applicable to learn enough to fly one self (in theory from reading). There are airplane clubs where one owns a tiny part of a plane. Fuel and maintenance are not free, but not horrible for a few hours travel.

        A very cleverly designed club could work somewhat for weekend trips within a tank of gas distance. Maybe.

        • greenskye@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          28 days ago

          So basically regional airports are a terrible method of mass transportation