Thunderbird für Android ist als Beta-Version (8.0b1) verfügbar. Ich habe mir die Beta-Version mal kurz angeschaut – und wurde direkt enttäuscht. Unmittelbar nach dem Start übermittelt Thunderbird für Android Telemetriedaten an Mozilla – incoming.telemetry.mozilla.org. 👇
#thunderbird #mozilla #telemetrie #datenschutz #telemetry #dsgvo #tdddg #mail #email #android #privacy #tracking
@schroedingershund @kuketzblog I absolutely dislike the concept of blaming entities by gut feeling even if they behave entirely legal.
They key for reliable privacy laws is general acceptance. It’s of absolutely no value to have strict laws if nobody obeys them.
The GDPR and the ammending TDDDG do pretty well in balancing interests, and we don’t do privacy activism or IT security a favor if we deny operators legitimate interest out of gut feeling.
@taschenorakel @schroedingershund Whether a usage measurement/marketing campaign takes place anonymously, pseudonymously or with personal data is irrelevant from the perspective of the TDDDG. The decisive factor is whether information is stored on the end device (e.g. cookies) or whether information is read from the end device. Both are subject to consent in accordance with Section 25 (1) TDDDG, unless ‘technically necessary’.
@kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de @schroedingershund@vivaldi.net Laws have a scope and the scope of TDDDG is defined in its first section. You don’t do anyone a favour if you randomly extend the scope of laws just to support your point of view.
You don’t help these you want to protect by making false promises.
You won’t get the Thunderbird people to change what’s in there legitimate interested and perfectly legal.
You simply don’t make the world a better place by inventing false accussions. It’s just another step down.
@taschenorakel@mastodon.green @schroedingershund@vivaldi.net Please inform yourself. It makes no sense to continue discussing at this level.
@kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de @schroedingershund@vivaldi.net
Actually I did. Did you?
“Dieses Gesetz regelt […] besondere Vorschriften zum Schutz personenbezogener Daten bei der Nutzung von Telekommunikationsdiensten und digitalen Diensten […] den Schutz der Privatsphäre […] den Schutz der Privatsphäre”
Privacy and personal data. That’s the scope. Data that’s not personal data is out of scope. Evenmore if other laws like GDPR explicitly allows processing such data.
@kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de @schroedingershund@vivaldi.net
Actually I did. Did you?
“Dieses Gesetz regelt […] besondere Vorschriften zum Schutz personenbezogener Daten bei der Nutzung von Telekommunikationsdiensten und digitalen Diensten […] den Schutz der Privatsphäre […] den Schutz der Privatsphäre”
Privacy and personal data. That’s the scope.
Data that’s not personal data is out of scope.
Even more if other laws like GDPR explicitly allow processing of such data.
@taschenorakel@mastodon.green @schroedingershund@vivaldi.net No, you did not. Try again. 😉
@kuketzblog @schroedingershund The term “personal data” is well defined within the scope of the GDPR. You might not like the definition of “personal data” within the scope of the GDPR, but then you have to change the GDPR first, instead of using a random definition for random laws.
@taschenorakel @schroedingershund I’m done here. There’s a fundamental lack of understanding, and I’m not going to start explaining the basics of privacy law.
@kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de
Do you also have arguments? Or is your highly toxic behavior an admission of your error?
@schroedingershund@vivaldi.net
@taschenorakel@mastodon.green
The term ‘information’ in this context is deliberately broad and also includes anonymised or pseudonymised data. This is intended to protect the privacy of users privacy is to be comprehensively protected, even if other laws such as the GDPR explicitly provide for exceptions for certain types of data.
The TTDSG therefore applies as soon as technical storage takes place on the end device - regardless of whether the data concerned is categorised as personal or not.
@taschenorakel@mastodon.green @schroedingershund@vivaldi.net Anyone who accuses me of such things will be blocked. Sorry.
@taschenorakel@mastodon.green
Please remain objective!
The TTDSG (Telecommunications Telemedia Data Protection Act) not only covers personal data, but also generally regulates the storage of and access to information on end devices. This is independent of whether the data is personal or not. § Section 25 TTDSG is decisive here, as it makes any storage and reading of information subject to consent, unless the data processing is ‘technically necessary’.