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      Your profile says you’re a conservative and a fascist? @neuromancer said before they’re incompatible, and he’s a conservative.

      He also says Lincoln was a conservative.

      Why do you both say the opposite? Is conservatism so meaningless that such fundamental differences are just ignored?

      Why do you think conservatives deny that fascists are part of their movement when they clearly are?

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        @Zombiepirate

        Fascists are hybrids. Fascism is corporatism, i.e. state control through corporations.

        What does my profile say?

        “Furthest Right: raging realism plus transcendental reverence. I write at https://www.amerika.org/ and https://www.deathmetal.org/ about topics such as nihilism, ecofascism, paganism, eugenics, capitalism, perennialism, conservatism, natural selection, and of course death metal.”

        Ecofascism is a separate movement. You read your Linkola and Kaczynski?

        Full readout here:
        https://annihilation.social/notice/AgRr091ay4W0HCTtcu

        Lincoln was a radical. He, too, was a hybrid, in that he came from the Anglo tradition but was outside of it as a “radical.”

        He was a progressive of his age. He was closer to Marx than Washington.

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            @Zombiepirate

            The most conservative society:

            * Absolute monarchy
            * Ethno-nationalist
            * Free market based
            * Caste system
            * Culture/religion united

            Like anything else, there are degrees of conservatism.

            Some conservatives, like GWB, are barely conservative.

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              9 days ago

              Not all conservatives are free market devotees; that’s a modern twist that is not universal.

              But you agree that they work to the same ends?

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                @Zombiepirate

                I disagree. Conservatives naturally favor organic methods like common law, free markets, culture, and hierarchy.

                As far as work to the same ends, I think you have it backwards. Fascism is a hybrid. It borrows some goals and methods from both Left and Right.

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                  Conservatism also borrows from the leftist rhetoric and action though, so that’s not a solid distinction.

                  They’re both counterrevolutionary in nature; I don’t see the distinction that you do. It appears that they are possibly different in degree instead of kind. This is the “ends” that I refer to: opposition to the liberal revolutions since the 18th century.

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                    @Zombiepirate

                    Also, wanting something other than the revolutionary order is not opposition.

                    It’s a choice for an alternative.

                    Ordinary people recognize that, but ideologues do not.

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        @Zombiepirate

        As to what conservatism is, I write about that a lot:

        https://www.amerika.org/

        It is a focus on order beyond the individual and the social group; we call it realism, and it tends to favor historically-proven results and a case-by-case basis instead of ideological categorical containers.

        About ten thousand people in North America can successfully parse that sentence.