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    • MastofBeight@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      The problem is that it portrays Palestinians as human beings deserving of sympathy, which is a big no-no.

      • lez566@alien.topB
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        1 year ago

        I’ll get downvoted for this but

        Of course the innocent civilians in Gaza are victims too. But the problem with the statement is it’s drawing a moral equivalence between a brutal civilian massacre where babies were beheaded and innocents killed in a war. To the families of the victims the difference may be nill but the barbarity of the massacre still needs highlighting.

        • SwayzoMad@alien.topB
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          1 year ago

          Why do you rank them less as victims?

          Innocent is innocent whether it’s a terrorist attack or military efforts

          • lez566@alien.topB
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            1 year ago

            I didn’t rank them as less victims. That’s a complete straw man. In fact I explicitly stated that.

            I said that the brutality of a massacre should be highlighted.

            • SwayzoMad@alien.topB
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              1 year ago

              It’s not a straw man lol you literally said it’s a problem by drawing a moral equivalence between the two groups of victims.

              A more brutal loss of innocent life doesn’t need to be highlighted over another

        • MastofBeight@alien.topB
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          1 year ago

          Using white phosphorus attacks and cutting off food, water, and electricity to Palestinian civilians is absolutely a form of collective punishment. It’s not just collateral damage.

          • Ugoboy23@alien.topB
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            1 year ago

            Nobody’s spending 40-50m mid season for Ramsdale or Eddie. Doubt Newcastle does either.

              • Ugoboy23@alien.topB
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                1 year ago

                I’ve never been one to care about sales but if Edu sold those 3 players for 40-50m then I wouldn’t care for him either.

                • TeqTx@alien.topB
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                  1 year ago

                  i’ll keep this receipt in case i need more recruits to the EduOut cult

                  • okcomput3r@alien.topB
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                    1 year ago

                    Tbh I don’t think it’s impossible that he could have had the spot nailed eventually. But does he walk straight into it? Absolutely not. Leading the line for us is really difficult. Finishing is the easy part. Fashioning the chances for yourself, linking the play, stretching defenders by going in behind, leading the press. The physical and technical and demands are so high.

                • e1_duder@alien.topB
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                  1 year ago

                  Who wants to shill out big fees for a back up keeper, on a starters wage, or an attacking midfielder with fitness issues who doesn’t play?

                  Edu can really only play the hand he’s dealt, but he plays a role in that. If we wanted big fees, we should have sold ESR two years ago and Ramsdale over the summer. They just sit around and don’t play now.

                  • zackaria00@alien.topB
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                    1 year ago

                    It’s protecting value since all 3 are on good contacts

                    If team is desperate in Jan for GK, mid or forward example they might pay

                  • Ugoboy23@alien.topB
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                    Smart clubs won’t look at Ramsdale solely as a backup keeper on start wages because that’s just his situation. In reality, he’s a title challenging, could be no1 England international keeper, who’s atleast CL quality.

                    Why did we spend 50m on a back up ST with 1 year left. Because he’s quality.

                  • beetletoman@alien.topB
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                    1 year ago

                    I know Raya is looking a better fit than Rambo atm but he is not merely a ‘backup keeper’ 😭

          • KlN_21@alien.topB
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            1 year ago

            I see us selling Ramsdale ( I prefer him over raya ) But I think we are going to keep Eddie, I don’t think any team is interested in him, and with esr clearly Arteta doesn’t rate him

          • Echo361@alien.topB
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            1 year ago

            Doubt we sell any of those players for that money in jan. Could see esr on a loan or something maybe with a guaranteed buy clause but i don’t see the other two going until at least the summer.

            • zackaria00@alien.topB
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              It was meant to be a big year for ESR and Ramsdale for euro 2024

              Both their path is blocked so we will see

          • e1_duder@alien.topB
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            1 year ago

            Eddie has for more value that people think. We will be lucky to get a combined 30M for ESR and Ramsdale though.

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          Hamas’ attacks were an unequivocal atrocity. Kidnapping and murdering civilians - children included - is beyond the pale whatever the purpose.

          Regardless, collective punishment is outlawed by the Geneva conventions. I don’t know how anyone can look at the siege Israel has placed Gaza under and see anything other than a war crime unfolding.

          • lez566@alien.topB
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            1 year ago

            I’d agree with that. And if that was the statement I’d be ok with it.