Yeah it’s like when Republicans say “Democrats want to kill babies”. You’re misinterpreting your political opponent in the least charitable way possible.
I’m not a conservative at all, but when dealing with people who are different than you, you need to assume good faith. There is a core of conservative Trump supporters who really are just selfish assholes, but most people-yes, including people whos political views you find immoral and repugnant-are fundamentally good.
That doesn’t mean they’re right! But I don’t see why I can’t be friends with somebody who has looked at very complex moral issues like abortion, religion, and equality and come to different conclusions than me.
Do you support abortion?
Do you think that Nazis should have some restrictions on their free speech?
Do you oppose prayer being led by teachers in public schools?
Do you support gun control?
If yes to any of the above, a political opponent could easily say that you in fact are actively working to oppress others and that your views are harmful. To which Im sure you would reply that no, those stances are about protecting and empowering people, but thats really a matter of perspective and conservatives would say the same thing about their principles. I’m sorry that this makes me sound like a smug enlightened centrist, cause I’m not remotely a centrist, but I think it’s narrow-minded to believe that only people with your worldview are fundamentally good.
Do I believe rape is bad? Of course, and I believe the accusations and therefore I believe Trump is a bad person. But the vast majority of his supporters don’t believe the accusations, so it’s not fair to accuse them of knowingly supporting a rapist. Honest question, do you really believe 40% of the US population is shitty and evil?
I’ve always been against restricting the speech of nazis because if you don’t let them voice their stupid opinions, how do you know who deserves to get repeatedly punched in the face until they can no longer speak?
Exactly! But what worries me is that I am beginning to see a lack of this exact understanding more and more. On both sides equally lately too.
I have been labeled a trump supporter for not agreeing with a specific thing. I have been labeled a “kamala communist” all that stuff, for the same in the reverse. I have been banned for hate speech for saying “Yeah this is my field of study, we dont actually do this - it would be dangerous - that is just something you hear politically active” - literally in an “Give me an alternate opinion” subreddit.
It’s just like that little short film “Kill All Others” - I am being mistaken for being in the opposite side when really I have not picked a side. This ostracization is becoming more common. Hyperpoliticalization.
Couldn’t agree more. I have been called everything from a leftist shill to an NPC to a bootlicker, depending on whether I am trying to engage with someone to the left or right of me. It’s a little frustrating… I wouldn’t even say that I haven’t picked a side- I absolutely do have political stances, and I’m pretty far left overall, but that doesn’t stop people farther left than me of accusing me of being in bed with the fascists/“part of the problem”
Yeah it’s like when Republicans say “Democrats want to kill babies”. You’re misinterpreting your political opponent in the least charitable way possible. I’m not a conservative at all, but when dealing with people who are different than you, you need to assume good faith. There is a core of conservative Trump supporters who really are just selfish assholes, but most people-yes, including people whos political views you find immoral and repugnant-are fundamentally good.
That doesn’t mean they’re right! But I don’t see why I can’t be friends with somebody who has looked at very complex moral issues like abortion, religion, and equality and come to different conclusions than me.
This is drivel. I don’t have to pretend that someone who is actively working to oppress others is “fundamentally good”.
You can be friends with people who have harmful views all you want. But you’re complicit.
Hmmmmm.
Do you support abortion? Do you think that Nazis should have some restrictions on their free speech? Do you oppose prayer being led by teachers in public schools? Do you support gun control?
If yes to any of the above, a political opponent could easily say that you in fact are actively working to oppress others and that your views are harmful. To which Im sure you would reply that no, those stances are about protecting and empowering people, but thats really a matter of perspective and conservatives would say the same thing about their principles. I’m sorry that this makes me sound like a smug enlightened centrist, cause I’m not remotely a centrist, but I think it’s narrow-minded to believe that only people with your worldview are fundamentally good.
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Do I believe rape is bad? Of course, and I believe the accusations and therefore I believe Trump is a bad person. But the vast majority of his supporters don’t believe the accusations, so it’s not fair to accuse them of knowingly supporting a rapist. Honest question, do you really believe 40% of the US population is shitty and evil?
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I’ve always been against restricting the speech of nazis because if you don’t let them voice their stupid opinions, how do you know who deserves to get repeatedly punched in the face until they can no longer speak?
Exactly! But what worries me is that I am beginning to see a lack of this exact understanding more and more. On both sides equally lately too.
I have been labeled a trump supporter for not agreeing with a specific thing. I have been labeled a “kamala communist” all that stuff, for the same in the reverse. I have been banned for hate speech for saying “Yeah this is my field of study, we dont actually do this - it would be dangerous - that is just something you hear politically active” - literally in an “Give me an alternate opinion” subreddit.
It’s just like that little short film “Kill All Others” - I am being mistaken for being in the opposite side when really I have not picked a side. This ostracization is becoming more common. Hyperpoliticalization.
Couldn’t agree more. I have been called everything from a leftist shill to an NPC to a bootlicker, depending on whether I am trying to engage with someone to the left or right of me. It’s a little frustrating… I wouldn’t even say that I haven’t picked a side- I absolutely do have political stances, and I’m pretty far left overall, but that doesn’t stop people farther left than me of accusing me of being in bed with the fascists/“part of the problem”