After the gestapo shot and killed Renee Nicole Good on January 7 during a fascist attack on Minneapolis, hegemonic media reacted by blaming Good for her death, saying it "was her own doing” and attacking her character by labeling her “a perpetrator” and “trained agitator.”

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    The total absence of human decency in these right wingers is appalling. And the fact that most of them are Christians - a religion that claims to be all about love and compassion - is a contradiction so monumental, I wonder how these people can sleep at night.

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      They are not christians, they use christianism as a shield and for whitewashing their actions. Same for zionists, they use judaism as a shield and to be able to shame call anti-semits to those that criticize them.

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          Yes and no.

          Fascists delight in acting in bad faith and don’t actually believe half of what they claim to believe. For example, fascists often claim to be pro-free speech or that they love democracy. If I told you fascists weren’t really free speech advocates or pro-democracy, you would likely not cite the no true Scotsman fallacy.

          This being said, a lot of Christianity has been like this for a long time. So, meh.

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            You’re talking to a 49 year old German.

            When I was about 15 or 16, I once naïvely asked my grandmother why noone resisted Hitler. She got very angry, told me I knew nothing about the time, and how much good Hitler had done, and then told me to shut up.

            She suddenly turned from this loving person into a stubborn, old, bitter and aggressive woman, showed a side I had never seen of her. So she was a counter example to not one, but two of your claims:

            • She was a real believer in fascism, and remained that even decades after the catastrophe fascism had plunged Germany and the world into.
            • She emphatically was not pro free speech and would absolutely not tolerate me saying anything against her belief.

            And she was a woman who claimed to be of a strong Christian faith. I’m well aware that not all of her circumstances translate 100% to modern day America, however I’m still inclined to think that most American Christian fascists also truly believe in both fascism and Christianity, just like my grandmother did.

            In other words, I stand by what I said - “They are not christians” is a no true scotsman fallacy used to try and manufacture a distance between Christianity and fascism that does not exist. These people are both, Christians and fascists, and saying otherwise is a bad attempt to absolve religion.

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              She emphatically was not pro free speech and would absolutely not tolerate me saying anything against her belief.

              The American Right has this weird dysfunction where they have right wing beliefs but also as is common on the Right put enormous importance into tradition and the national founding myth which for us includes a bunch of values that are otherwise contrary to Right Wing beliefs. So they have to pay lip service to Free Speech without really believing it. They frequently repeat phrases from the revolution like Freedom & Liberty then act uncomfortable with the reality of Liberty. Celebrate overthrowing our King but be happy when the President starts to accrue King like powers.

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              As I mentioned at the end of my comment:

              This being said, a lot of Christianity has been like this for a long time. So, meh.

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          You’re using the No True Scotsman Fallacy fallacy. Because Scotsman has a definition. There are people who are not Scotsmen. You can’t point at an Italian who’s lived in Rome their whole life, with no Scottish blood, relatives, or connection with Scotland in anyway and insist they are a Scotsman.

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            A religion is defined by the behaviors and beliefs of it’s followers, they absolutely are Christians. “Being Christian” just doesn’t mean what you want think it does.

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            Doesn’t the Bible say something about only god knowing what’s in people’s hearts? And that only he can judge?

            Sorry that it embarrasses you, but they absolutely are Christians.

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      Copy paste:


      Related term: secular Christianity and cultural Chrisianity… Especially popular in America.

      People identify as Christian, cling to the bible, cross, Jesus on the cross, religious symbology as totems or symbols which demonstrate they belong. But they don’t actually believe in God or what’s in the bible. It’s mainly virtue signaling or a dog whistle for white supremacy. In fact most of their core beliefs contradict many of the core tenents of Christianity.

      Given fascists delight in acting in bad faith, don’t actually believe half of what they claim to believe, it’s not surprising that the religious right are often fascists. They experience no discomfort, because they don’t actually believe in Christ’s teachings

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      it s incredible how u can say that and not recognize the fact that charlie kirk was so memed to death that even are influenced by it. But to you im sure one was justified and not the other. if a lesbian karren think she has the authority to directly disobey law enforcement and put herself in danger for an issue that doesnt even concern her should be something to celebrate as brave, to me it s litteraly mental illness

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          so the best way to die like a morron is to directly disobey law enforcement while making a threat to them. The sucess rate is so high that we even invented suicide by police as an expression. you can try at home so 5 redditor will talk about you for one day

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            Sounds like law enforcement in general are just roving lawless gangs of criminals that need to be put down like the rabid dogs that they are.

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            Wow, that’s an interesting part of the law. Can you show me in state or federal statute where obstruction of justice or resisting arrest are crimes punishable by summary execution?

            See, I always thought that the proper thing for functioning law enforcement agencies was to arrest alleged criminals so they could be tried in court, ensuring they have due process as afforded to them by the constitution.

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        charlie kirk was so memed to death

        I don’t think that’s how he died. Maybe watch the video again?

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        The fact that you can not distinguish a pig kirk with bad morale from Renee who seems to be a good person is astounishing. I think pain is the only teacher for ppl like you to understand what is empathy