That’s a 13C charge rate, a normal lithium battery would get very hot and puff up, possibly even catching on fire.
To safely charge at that rate, you need a battery that is specifically designed for it. High speed charging will probably be a lot more common when phones start using solid state batteries though.
Super capacitors are great for when high charge or discharge rates are needed. They can be charged in seconds. Unfortunately the energy density is significantly worse than batteries and they self discharge in days.
If a typical phone was super capacitor powered, it would weight 5kg and be bigger than a 1980’s Motorola.
Not really. Current phone batteries has limited life cycles based on full charge and discharge, that’s why it’s recommended to not go to 0% or 100% if you want to prolong the life of the battery. The speed doesn’t really impact the health, assuming the phone has a way to dissipate the heat generated.
assuming the phone has a way to dissipate the heat generated.
Yeah that’s a big assumption. My phone gets hot charging at 20w, don’t you think there will be heat dissipation issues at those speeds?
Chemistry has improved, but even a Tesla will not let you super charge all the time- I’d need to see some real data before I believe that a battery charged 100 times fast has exactly the same health as one charged 100x slow.
There are many speculations that fast charging hurts the battery, but preliminary results in regard to 240W charging shows that the cooling technologies and management systems are able to handle it and doesn’t impose additional wear on the battery. There are no comprehensive independent studies on this as far as I know, and Chinese companies are improving the tech all the time, as evidenced by 300W tech recently and now 320W.
And the phones don’t charge at full speed all the time, management systems regulate it and the last few % are always delivered at low W.
OnePlus mitigates a bunch with tech separating the battery into multiple batteries. I’m charging at 100w rn, but it’s 2 cells, each charging at 50w. It barely gets warm. -no fap.
everything impacts the lifespan and thermal load will be a big one, as well as charge rate. those recommendatiuns take a very complex set of variables and simplify it into a balance of memorable and useful.
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i feel like that’s bad for your phone
That’s a 13C charge rate, a normal lithium battery would get very hot and puff up, possibly even catching on fire.
To safely charge at that rate, you need a battery that is specifically designed for it. High speed charging will probably be a lot more common when phones start using solid state batteries though.
i’m hoping for super-capacitors, personally
Super capacitors are great for when high charge or discharge rates are needed. They can be charged in seconds. Unfortunately the energy density is significantly worse than batteries and they self discharge in days.
If a typical phone was super capacitor powered, it would weight 5kg and be bigger than a 1980’s Motorola.
well i’m hoping they get better
Not really. Current phone batteries has limited life cycles based on full charge and discharge, that’s why it’s recommended to not go to 0% or 100% if you want to prolong the life of the battery. The speed doesn’t really impact the health, assuming the phone has a way to dissipate the heat generated.
Yeah that’s a big assumption. My phone gets hot charging at 20w, don’t you think there will be heat dissipation issues at those speeds?
Chemistry has improved, but even a Tesla will not let you super charge all the time- I’d need to see some real data before I believe that a battery charged 100 times fast has exactly the same health as one charged 100x slow.
There are many speculations that fast charging hurts the battery, but preliminary results in regard to 240W charging shows that the cooling technologies and management systems are able to handle it and doesn’t impose additional wear on the battery. There are no comprehensive independent studies on this as far as I know, and Chinese companies are improving the tech all the time, as evidenced by 300W tech recently and now 320W.
And the phones don’t charge at full speed all the time, management systems regulate it and the last few % are always delivered at low W.
OnePlus mitigates a bunch with tech separating the battery into multiple batteries. I’m charging at 100w rn, but it’s 2 cells, each charging at 50w. It barely gets warm. -no fap.
everything impacts the lifespan and thermal load will be a big one, as well as charge rate. those recommendatiuns take a very complex set of variables and simplify it into a balance of memorable and useful.