puts on helmet alright time to check these comments
I posted it 4 hours ago now and thankfully, it only seems like we have a couple of bigots. That’s pretty good for the internet.
Lemmy always seems to be pretty good. Nice being on a social media platform where people can have compassion for others.
Ahrm… PALESTINE UKRAINE TRUMP TANKIE LIB LGBTQ BIDEN.
There, now this thread is garbage.
You forgot tieneman square.
^^^obvious ^^^joke ^^^setup ^^^is ^^^obvious
I’m still behaving myself like it’s new furniture or something.
Lmao same. Or like having a new friend you don’t act too weird around
My take is: Guess Lemmy just hasn’t stretched out far enough.
I love that I refreshed the front page to find this meme at the top with “-2 new comments” but at least the whole thread hasn’t been nuked.
Nice work mods, let’s keep hateful comments to a minimum while still encouraging healthy discussion with people that might honestly not know better.
Lol. My only regret is not taking a screenshot of that one guy getting destroyed by like 20 different research papers
He ignored those and kept replying the same nonsense to everyone else. Looks like he got hammered by a mod.
I think it’s sad that all replies (especially positive, helpful ones) are automatically deleted too. They shouldn’t be.
They’re mostly pretty funny.
When the gay marriage vote came to Australia, my household got very political. I voted yes, but both of my dads voted no.
I never understood the gays who voted no on a referendum back in the 2000s and justified it with some religious and heteronormative bs like “marriage is from religion by religion” and “we’re the outliers, so we shouldn’t make people conform to us”. Like, how self-hating and backstabbing can you be. If you don’t want it, you don’t have to have it but let others realize their dreams at nobody’s expense.
I do agree that marriage is a religious thing and I wouldn’t care at all, but getting married brings a lot of benefits.
So its not like gay people want to “realize their dreams” but we want the same benefits that straight people have.
If religious people dont want to accept gay people, then benefits shouldn’t be given based on religious acts like marriage.
Marriage is not religious. Getting married in a church, with a priest and before God is the religious part.
In a lot of countries you can get married without any religion being involved. Some government officials will then officiate the wedding.
Even true in the religious U.S., even in ultra-religious Indiana. My wife and I got married by a lawyer (a very old family friend) in a ballroom. We said we didn’t want any mention of god or religion and he complied. This was 23 years ago, but it hasn’t changed.
Wait, its true. I fucking forgot one can get married and not do the whole church thing.
I only meant “realize their dreams” in the sense that some people want it as part of their life goals. I personally don’t want it and couldn’t care less but I still want that possibility for others.
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Imagine thinking gay people being allowed to exist is too far.
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Poor me!
Have you come out as intolerant to your mum?
Yeah, that’s why we tolerate you, until you do something other than complain. I want to use your logic. I’m tired of being forced to tolerate you so you should fuck off.
Diddums
I had to google this; now it’s my new favorite word
Make sure you use “poor” before it. Adds more zazz to it.
“Poor diddums”
Why is everyone complaining about child grooming lately? I get my dog groomed once a month and the first couple days of her smelling nice is the best. Do you all just like dirty kids?
Hopefully unnecessary but, /s
I have a teenager- so it’s not that I like that she’s dirty, it’s just that she’s at that age.
How else am I supposed to get my kid looking like a million dollar man? Good looks come with good grooming! Especially the blonde flowing locks!
When I was in middle school pretty much every teacher in the school was in one big lesbian menage a trois. Everyone knew it, and they would all cycle through being roommates with each other. Last I checked, there wasn’t an unusual amount of gay alumni. On an unrelated note, we also learned important skills like critical thinking and understanding the world we lived in, turns out that mattered quite a bit more in my life so far.
That sounds absolutely hilarious. The closest I ever got to that was spotting a middle school teacher years later at a Pride festival. He did not remember me and I was too shy to go talk to him. I had the hunch that he was gay but it would’ve meant a lot to me if he were out during that time. Oh well, he was a great teacher regardless.
It was an open secret that my high school French teacher was gay. He pretty much couldn’t hide it. He would have made MAGA boomer gaydars go off. But at the time, you would get fired if you were openly gay and a teacher in Indiana. It was so fucking stupid. Everyone just turned a blind eye to it. He clearly loved his job and wanted to do it for the rest of his life, but how sad that he had to hide a key part of himself just to do it. I’m not sure if he’s still teaching- I don’t even remember his name over two decades later- but if he is, I hope he’s happily married to his then incredibly hot boyfriend (I’m not gay but he was so hot, I might consider it). I only knew about the boyfriend after graduating and running into them a couple of years later. I guess unlucky in his job but extremely lucky in love.
Is this how
conservativeshomophobes try to play the victim here? “Oh we’re in the minority now, let’s pretend we need to come out”?No, I think the joke is that just talking about your life is considered coming out or even “proselytizing”, if you’re not heterosexual.
I’d always say “I sit there and listen to my teachers talk about their sex life” as a joke when someone asked me how my day was back then, I didn’t think it’d turn into reality.
As an aside, when I was a rather innocent pre teen, I was into hair metal of the 1980s, and liked the Motley Crue song Girls, Girls, Girls. I didn’t know what menage a trois meant though…so I asked my French teacher.
One of my dumbest moments but honestly I really didn’t know and it seemed reasonable to ask the person who knew French.
My school had a Latin teacher who read erotic Latin poetry to her senior class. I didn’t have her, but friends did.
Oh man, I was in a kids choir when I was a kid and we performed at Christian churches often. I was raised Catholic and didn’t have access to a Bible routinely, we you bet I’d be reading Song of Solomon every chance I got. That is the horniest shit ever.
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Until the picture is more clear, society should be mindful (not hysterical, mind you, just careful) about how to talk to children about this.
Yes, we definitely should only teach children about proper, true, God-sanctioned heterosexual relationships until we know how to talk to children about two men holding hands.
I wasn’t referring to gays at all in my second paragraph.
What were you referring to then? That’s what this is about.
Well yes, but the overall conversation has already moved forward from the issue of homosexuality (which in my opinion is “solved”) to transsexuality (which is not so “solved” yet in my opinion).
Exactly how does it hurt kids to teach them that some people identify with a different gender than their biological sex? Do you have some psychological studies to back that claim up or are you just presuming you know?
Some of them will start to imagine that they as well might identify with a different gender then their biological sex, which can cause them significant stress – like the term “dysphoria” aptly suggests. This is supported by data: the amount of reported gender dysphoria in young people has risen steeply over the last 20 years.
A kid who thinks they’re heterosexual might start to imagine that they as well might identify with a different sexuality than the one they were born with, which can cause them significant stress.
Do you not see how this is the same?
And the reason the reporting of the number of cases has gone up is we’re more accepting of trans people now. Guess what, the number of LGBT+ people in general has gone up. Because people can come out of the closet without fearing for their life a lot of the time (but not every time) these days.
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For some people.
“Most common” =/= “default”
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That sounds like a you problem. By the way, able to and supposed to are different.
A me problem? Why ?
In nature you’re supposed to, being able to is related to health problems. But yeah, I will raise my son/daughter in heterosexuality, if he/she wants to be gay/bi/etc that’s fine. But I don’t expect little boys to like other boys for example
The “supposed to be…”, is a really big problem.
First, it’s factually wrong. Homosexuality occurs all through nature and it’s not a mistake or random abberation. Presumably there’s some advantage to having a percentage of any population not reproducing. Perhaps so that they aren’t burdened with children and are free to fill other roles in their community, herd, flock or whatever. This increases the group survival/reproduction rate, even though they aren’t reproducing themselves.
Secondly, “supposed to…” implies that there’s something wrong with any non-heterosexual individual. It sounds like, at best, you’ll accept their homosexuality as natural but, at the same time, you understand that they’re actually defective. That attitude isn’t going to lead to good things, and not something I would like to see widespread in society.
And finally, the fact that you would even say this points out the need for more education on this in schools, not less.
There is no “suppose to” in nature. Nature is literally random
Changes are random, the outcome throughout time is not
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You know humans aren’t the only species that practices homosexuality, right?
@SuiXi3D @FlyingSquid @Dystopia @NielsBohron @toomanypancakes
We’re still waiting for the religious nutjobs to realize that their faith in their specific magic sky fairy doesn’t automatically grant them ownership of everyone that doesn’t.
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Homosexual behavior has been observed in a significant number of animal species. A 2019 paper states that same-sex sexual behavior has been observed in over 1,500 species[1]. However, it’s important to note that the term “homosexuality” as applied to animals can encompass a range of behaviors, including courtship, sexual activity, pair-bonding, and parental activities[1].
In terms of specific percentages, it varies widely among species. For instance, about 10% of rams (male sheep) refuse to mate with ewes (female sheep) but do readily mate with other rams[1]. Another source suggests that as many as 8% of rams demonstrate sexual attraction to other rams[2]. Among bonobos, roughly 60% of all sexual activity occurs between two or more females[1].
It’s also worth noting that in many instances, the homosexual behavior is part of the animal’s overall sexual behavioral repertoire, making the animal “bisexual” rather than “homosexual” as the terms are commonly understood in humans[1].
In conclusion, while it’s difficult to provide a single percentage that applies to all animals, it’s clear that a significant number of species exhibit some form of same-sex sexual behavior. The percentage of individuals within a species that exhibit such behavior can vary widely.
Sources
[1] Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
[2] How Common Is Homosexuality in Animals? - ThoughtCo https://www.thoughtco.com/homosexuality-in-animals-4164365
[3] Why Is Same-Sex Sexual Behavior So Common in Animals? - Scientific American Blog https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/why-is-same-sex-sexual-behavior-so-common-in-animals/
[4] 1,500 animal species practice homosexuality - News-Medical.net https://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/1500-animal-species-practice-homosexuality.aspx
[5] Scientists explore the evolution of animal homosexuality - Imperial College London https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/190987/scientists-explore-evolution-animal-homosexuality/
[6] 10 animal species that show how being gay is natural – DW – 08/02/2017 https://www.dw.com/en/10-animal-species-that-show-how-being-gay-is-natural/g-39934832By Perplexity at https://www.perplexity.ai/search/0d6061d7-b401-4da7-bb90-c953503c2d95
In nature you’re supposed to
Homosexual Behavior In Animals, - this article has 121 citations.
…H…How are you going to raise someone in heterosexuality??
By shoving homophobia down their throat and shaming them anytime they behave in a way that doesn’t conform to their close-minded views on sexuality and gender.
Then complaining 20 years later that their kids were indoctrinated by the education system and blaming liberals for the fact that their children went no contact.
By being straight around them and not sucking dick in front of them, duh.
But heterosexual sex in front of them is ok???
Just by not doing anything actually, most boys will tell their parents that they fell in love with x girl and gave them flowers
So…exactly the same as someone raising their kid in homosexuality then?
No, nature is bi / gay as fuck. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
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Gay penguins are about 1 in 5
Male dogs also love humping other dogs regardless of gender too.
So why are there homosexual animals?
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Yes, very.
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Genders are a social construct, yes, but some people are literally born gay. It wasn’t like they chose to be gay - they just are. To say that sexuality is a “result of society” is absolutely ridiculous. To put this in perspective: can you, a straight guy, can just choose to be gay? Can you suddenly decide that you want to suck a dick? That’s how you know it’s not a social construct - you’re literally hard-wired to be whatever the fuck sexuality you are.
I sort of get what you’re saying with heterosexuality being the “default” because it’s quite literally how the human race needs to reproduce, but please don’t go saying that people choose to be gay, because they do not.
I always feel like “Choose to not be gay” people
- Want to try sleeping with someone of their gender
- Decide to suppress their needs because of religion / societal pressure
- Say to themselves “I’m not gay because I married a women/man”
- Project this on to all people and say that gay people gave in to their desires while straight are strong and don’t
They don’t realize not every man wants to suck dick.
They don’t realize step 1 already makes them gay no matter their choices.
This feels like the “One drop of blood” test but for sexuality. Things exist on a spectrum. Gay isn’t just “not straight”. People aren’t gay just because they wondered about same-sex relationships.
Lots of individual animals never reproduce. Why are humans special?
Gross. Why are you talking about “default sexuality” with kids?
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You think being gay is just about sex? Is heterosexuality just about sex to you? If so, I feel bad for you not having any romance in your life.
Homosexuality is a myth made up by the clothing industry to sell all their pink fabric and peacock sunglasses
Why do you want so badly to tell kids about penises going in vaginas? Gross.
Look, why not just come out of the closet. It’s clear from your post history that you are obsessed with thoughts of gay sex. Just admit what you are. It’s 2023. Think long and hard.
Idk, my male dog sure likes to hump the boy dogs for fun.
“alright Charlie, are you a furry little boy or a furry little girl?”
woof
The point of this post is to point out that the argument of “teachers are corrupting kids into being gay by talking about it and having books with gay people”. The fact that most people are straight doesn’t factor into it at all, unless you mean that everybody is born straight, in which case you’re just wrong. Btw a useful thought experiment in general is to swap “gay” with left-handed. Would you ever say that being right-handed is the “default handedness”? Would you care if a teacher mentions being left-handed?
If you have a pretty loose definition of default, it’s easy to conclude that right-handedness is the default handedness. I wouldn’t be surprised if OP agreed with that idea.
Right, but at that point “default” becomes a useless term. Elsewhere in the thread OP said they’d raise their kids “heterosexually” or smth, and if they’re consistent with wanting to raise their kids the “default” way, they’d also want to raise their kids right-handedly, as girls (because women make up slightly more than 50% of the population), in Mandarin, etc etc. Nobody’s entirely default.
Sure, you could say that right-handed is the default. And? It doesn’t impact any other arguments.
Going even further into extremes, over 99% of matter in the universe is helium or hydrogen. By that definition of default, helium and hydrogen are the default state of matter, and carbon-based lifeforms aren’t “supposed to” exist.
Excellent arguments. I didn’t mean to imply I think children should be raised without mentioning homosexuality.
No worries, I didn’t feel you did!
default because of centuries of religion and culture ensuring anything other than heterosexuality was punished
Default because reproduction
Reproduction and sexual orientation are two vastly different things man.
what’s your take on homosexuality in non-human animals then?
It’s mostly territorial
“Man who found out about homosexuality in animals five minutes ago now expert on the majority of homosexual behavior in animals.”
That’s… just straight up false?
Should everything just revolve around reproduction, then?
What about video games? If anything, they hamper reproduction! So why should we accept them?
No, but from birth it’s normal to be told that boys love girls and girls love boy, the child has all the time to realize later who he/she want to sleep with.
Why is it normal?
Sounds like those kids are being indoctrinated into being straight, to me.
You do know gay people can have kids, right?
And being composed of hydrogen and helium is the default for 99.9% of the entire universe, so why are you creating exceptions for carbon?
You gotta watch out for carbon. I hear it’s grooming xenon.
Get outta here with your xenonphobia
Honestly as long as you don’t care if people are gay or not you’re fine
I don’t know if I’m gay or bi or anything, but I had a relationship once with another man, no sexual stuff just dating
Right so you’re Christian. Got it.
That’s true
But it also has nothing to do with this. It’s as good as saying someone is evil because the sky is blue.
Everyone who reads this needs to block this piece of shit
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So what is the issue then?
I won’t hold my breath for a response to this.
He probably grossed himself out describing all that and is now in spiritual detox. I’m sure he will elaborate once the priest has exorcised all the evil spirits.
Etcetera
You’d have to ask the OP. But some LGBT issues in schools include sexually explicit books and sexually explicit performances in public schools.
Neither of those are LGBT+ issues, for the record. I know one or two of the stories you’re talking about, one that was a drag performance and another about a book with a same-sex relationship, but the issue with either of those had nothing to do with their connection to LGBT+ topics–at least it shouldn’t have been, but they were treated that way. They should’ve been handled just like anything else inappropriate in a school, but at large, the problem was treated as them being drag or having LGBT+ characters.
There’s no need for legislation for this kind of thing because the same things that are inappropriate for queer people to do in schools are already inappropriate for cis/het people to do. I’m not saying that in disagreement with what you said, just pointing it out in addition.
Neither of those are LGBT+ issues, for the record.
One example was a book with illustrations of one dude giving another dude a blowjob, which falls squarely under G.
Another one was a trans woman giving a lapdance to a junior high girl, which falls squarely under T.
So, I’ll have to disagree.
Except if you changed those situations so the acts were the same, but the people involved were all straight and cis, they’d still be a problem.
Them being LGBT isn’t the problem. Them having NSFW content is, regardless of the specifics of that content, and the identities of the people involved.
Drag performers usually aren’t trans women, just to let you know. Just people doing a performance.
If you weren’t lying, you would have told us what the “real issue” is
Yeah mate. You keep telling yourself that.
According to American conservatives that is very much the issue.
I suppose that’s why the Stop WOKE act doesn’t make any exceptions?
I don’t think what you’re saying is true. I know someone who very actively doesn’t want mentioning of gay people to kids. For context, he’s foreign-born, isn’t otherwise conservative, and has been a US citizen for probably longer than most people on Lemmy have been alive.
I mention this anecdote because it’s part of many anecdotes and the vast majority of people in his community have viewpoints that I’ve heard and are much more extreme than his.
Go on…
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And the person recording shouting it over what they’re actually saying just to make this video doesn’t ring any alarm bells for you? Really?
