Look, I actually have to spend my time around Americans. I dislike them probably more than a lot of people who say stuff like in [https://www.reddit.com/r/TankieTheDeprogram/s/eHww4UALHm](this thread). But it’s not out of lack of trying.

But that’s besides the point. No other country’s people gets treated this way. And no, I’m not going to say I’m more oppressed than people in the global south or whatever. In fact a lot of psychological problems result from the fact that I’m privileged to be in the global north.

But Americans are so often…dismissed. That’s the only term i can come up with. But everyone talks about it in such idealist matter. They always talk individuals or idealism or whatever. The closest to material analysis is “the proletariat’s material conditions are closer aligned to the imperialist Bourgeoisie.” But that doesn’t just apply to Americans.

But, look. Why doesn’t any other people get treated this way? Genuinely. I don’t think Stalin sat down and said “well Germany lost a major world war and went through multiple economic crises and still hasn’t had a socialist revolution. So obviously it’s a lost cause, kill all of them.” Japan and South Korea are never treated this way, despite being very arguably in similar boats. And if we want to talk about material conditions, what about Indonesia or Iran or Cambodia or so many other nations? They haven’t had socialist revolutions yet despite their material conditions, so does that mean these people are useless treatlerites too?

I’m sorry. I know, again, we’re in the imperial core, we’re privileged. I don’t know what part of my mentally ill brain it is, but it’s just that the logic completely fails for me and that gives me anxiety, because reasons. Not just that, but the actual oppression of the communist and self determination movements here are also just ignored.

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      Again, the sidebar of this comm pretty explicitly states that “pointlessly inflammatory” is the goal and purpose of this comm. If that’s not acceptable on the site, the comm should be closed.

      • It doesn’t.

        The purpose of this community is sort of a “work out your frustrations by letting it all out” where different leftist tendencies can vent their frustrations with one another and more assertively and directly challenge one another. Hostility is allowed, but any racist, fascist, or reactionary crap wont be tolerated, nor will explicit threats.

        “Hostility is allowed” doesn’t mean “the purpose of this community is to be pointlessly inflammatory”. Replying with an image of pig shit isn’t “challenging” any of the arguments in this thread. Sure, there’s nothing explicitly stating that it’s not allowed, but the instance rules apply to every community, and such a comment would be removed anywhere else on this instance.

        Ultimately, if you dislike the concept of this community, feel free to block it.

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          Ultimately, if you dislike the concept of this community, feel free to block it.

          Utterly bizarre thing to say when you’re the one arguing against the concept of the community and I’m the one arguing for it.

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              I’m not arguing against it, I’m explaining what the purpose of this community is.

              No, you’re redefining the purpose of the community to something that clearly is not the intent stated in the sidebar. You know you’re doing it, quit being dishonest.

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                It’s fascinating. You seem to understand the opposite of what some people say. One user, namely MissGibraltar59, said:

                We are trying because we see it as a just and only plausable cause that will benefit everyone eventually.

                And yet you understood:

                I didn’t put any words in your mouth. You said you’re “trying” which is another way of saying you can’t.

                The other user in question, although I must say I disagree with some of their comments, was simply stating how they were in the process of moving out and that they were currently having great difficulty, but without giving up.

                …And this community is for debates that allow some levels of hostility with the purpose of coming to a mutual understanding. It looks like many people from Hexbear, including you, don’t get that posting obscene pictures, such as that specific one of a pig, is literally anti-social behavior. As the admin criticalresist said a couple of times now, perhaps some of you might prefer 4chan…

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                  You’re being a smug, condescending asshole and you’re contributing absolutely nothing. Your comment is just as inflammatory and meaningless as a picture of a pig shitting on its balls, but much less honest.