I have seen many people in this community either talking about switching to Brave, or people who are actively using Brave. I would like to remind people that Brave browser (and by extension their search engine) is not privacy-centric whatsoever.
Brave was already ousted as spyware in the past and the company has made many decisions that are questionable at best. For example, Brave made a cryptocurrency which they then added to a rewards program that is built into the browser to encourage you to enable ads that are controlled by Brave.
Edit: Please be aware that the spyware article on Brave (and the rest of the browsers on the site) is outdated and may not reflect the browser as it is today.
After creating this cryptocurrency and rewards program, they started inserting affiliate codes into URL’s. Prior to this they had faked fundraising for popular social media creators.
Do these decisions seem like ones a company that cares about their users (and by extension their privacy) would make? I’d say the answer is a very clear no.
One last thing, Brave illegally promoted an eToro affiliate program making a fortune from its users who will likely lose their money.
Edit: To the people commenting saying how Brave has a good out-of-the-box experience compared to other browsers, yes, it does. However, this is not a warning for your average person, this is a warning for people who actively care about their privacy and don’t mind configuring their browser to maximize said privacy.
Brave is literally a grift. Too many people are falling for it.
Brave is not spyware. That website you linked is horrible and full of misinformation. They also claim that Firefox, and even Tor Browser, are spyware. They act as if any and all connections a browser makes are automatically bad and used for spying/tracking.
I won’t disagree with the other criticisms of Brave that you made, but just wanted to point that out. That website is just highly unreliable and makes verifiably false claims about the browsers it reviews.
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The neocities link calling Brave and other browsers spyware.
Brave is not spyware
It is officially spyware now: https://www.ghacks.net/2023/10/18/brave-is-installing-vpn-services-without-user-consent/
What exactly is misinformation? All browsers try to collect data and he mentions it. Brave rewards is complete disaster and spyware. Sure you explicitly need to opt-in, as they are turned off by default.
Just commenting to let you know I’ve clarified a bit in the post. Also, stock Firefox is spyware so.
Stock as in out-of-the-box.
Edit: If you want to downvote this go ahead, but at least know that it’s true. Without changing ANY settings, Firefox is spyware.
Just stop giving any advice please.
Never heard of that. Please do not just claim things without clarifying.
It’s a well known fact that Firefox is full of telemetry that you need to turn off. There’s a reason for so many user.js files and forks existing.
Using the terms “telemetry” and “spyware” interchangeably makes the former seem more nefarious and the latter less nefarious. I understand where you’re coming from but I wouldn’t want to see the term “spyware” diluted to include anonymised data about how users are using product features.
That’s not to say telemetry data is fine or that a company might claim to only use telemetry data isn’t actually using spyware.
I’d say that many telemetry servers counts as spyware.
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Let’s not forget one of the biggest investors is a right-wing billionaire who runs a corporate intelligence agency that contracts with the DoD. And the only proof we have that he doesn’t collect data on Brave’s users is the questionable word of the devs.
Brave has been off limits for me ever since I saw my QAnon nutjob father using it lol.
Big ol yikes right there
That’s dumb.
Would you stop drinking water just because Hitler drank it too?
And the only proof we have that he doesn’t collect data on Brave’s users is the questionable word of the devs.
And…the source code?
If the devs aren’t trustworthy, I’m sure as hell not trusting that they didn’t add something extra.
I would appreciate if we don’t bring politics into the conversation. They are completely subjective and only serve to stray away from the original point.
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Yes, I’m aware I’m in the wrong here.
Privacy is a political subject.
To be fair, nearly everything is/ has been/ can be a political topic. Two of the more ridiculous ones (IMO) I can think of are video games and D&D.
Please educate me. Why is it political?
Because governments and corporations all over the world are trying to hollow out privacy?
Easy. You put your personal shit on the internet then after you get into an argument with a groyped up nazi, they look up your information which is easily accessible and know more about you than a close friend would. You’re starting to get a little harassment but you’re quick to block, but it just keeps coming and coming and coming. Eventually they find out that you’re like 0.00001% jewish then lie about your family history as justification to take things to the next level. You get constant death threats until one faithful day one of them shows up at your doorstep to lynch you. They shoot you dead and the cops let them off the hook because of course they do. All because you freely posted all your personal information on the internet for any freak to see.
Think that’s an extreme example? It literally happens all the time. The only reason I’m still around is because I keep that shit private so it never gets past the first step, but there’s been plenty of others who weren’t so lucky when it came to that sort of thing.
I would appreciate it if conservatives stopped trying to strip away our rights, including the right to privacy.
Same but it is relevant that there is bipartisan support for stripping away our rights to privacy and general tech/internet freedoms.
Of course it is! But Peter Thiel isn’t bipartisan, so idk what that has to do with his involvement in Brave. He self-identifies as far-right. Not leftist, liberal, or independent. And since we’re talking specifically about Brave and Thiel, I don’t really care about whataboutism in this context.
I don’t see how you can acknowledge this being relevant but also consider it whataboutism, those seem like opposite positions. If it is whataboutism, that’s a claim that it isn’t relevant. It is relevant because partisan affiliation is not a reliable predictor of how someone will approach this issue, which matters for whether considering it in this context makes sense.
Politics are as subjective as the right to privacy. There isn’t a hard logical truth to it, it’s what people think is moral. Considering that, and considering that right-wing billionaires aren’t known for being friendly to privacy, I think it’s fine to bring politics into this discussion.
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Please educate me. Why is it political?
FOSS hacks the copyright system to build a software commons independent of corporation, guaranteeing the freedoms of users and developers - what part of that statement isn’t political?
untrue, politics affects the shape of everything, if we don’t ‘make it political’ we let whatever political lean already is there continue. thats not apolitical, thats apathy
that said thanks for the post, good to know!
how can privacy ever be stripped of political content? it’s inherently about social forces - ie politics.
Everything is political.
aren’t you on a fucking anarchist instance, ding dong? shut the fuck up, we don’t do “apolitical” theatrics here.
If you know you’re in the wrong, delete the comment, or at least strikethrough everything you have changed your mind about.
The people who downvoted you have already moved on, they don’t need or care about an apology and won’t see it.
I won’t delete the comment as that also deletes (not really but hides) the replies. As for strikethrough, I don’t really think it matters that much.
I don’t really think it matters that much
When I read your comment I couldn’t see what specifically you consider yourself being wrong about. Striking through could have clarified. Without it, I would have preferred the comment as it was. Then it at least makes sense within the thread and makes a clear statement. (Whether one agrees with it or not.)
Everything is politics kid. Sticking your head in the sand is no different than allowing people with evil intent to do whatever they want.
We can, will, and must continue to talk about everything through a political lens until all the problems of the world are resolved
You are aware that “Don’t bring politics into this” is code for “I don’t agree with what you’re saying” right? It’s never a good look.
For the comments, can anyone give me an actual reason to use Brave over Firefox (and it’s forks)? I guess the cryptocurrency aspect is a reason, but I wouldn’t say it’s a very good one.
If nothing else, I would recommend Firefox over Brave for the sole reason of the latter being yet another Chromium browser. It would be nice if we could eat away some of the browser marketshare from Google.
Brave was also made by a guy who got kicked out of Mozilla for being homophobic. The cryptocurrency stuff is brave also a major scam, it’s a crypto that must first be converted into another crypto before it can be converted into real money. How is that a “currency”?
If someone can help me fix a major issue I have with Firefox I’d love to switch.
I heavily use the per-application sound volume in pipewire on my Linux PC.
Firefox will reset whatever volume I have set as soon as I pause a video and resume it a couple seconds later.
I have a deej board and use that to control the application volumes.
Firefox makes it simply unusable for me…its a known bug and Mozilla just doesn’t give a fuck…
Does this also occur with Firefox forks? They might have fixed it.
Only used fire dragon and it shows the same
If fire fox has profiles like brave, I’d switch instantly. I need profiles to separate all my different accounts
Edit: I just wanted to say thanks to those who replied to my comment, it looks like I’ve gotten a couple of really good ideas for implementing profiles within Firefox. I’ll be exploring these thanks much!
Container in Firefox is better IMO. Use this addon to enable the feature https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account-containers/
What do you mean, of course Firefox has profiles.
You can also separate online accounts with container tabs.
Don’t know how no one mentioned this yet, but Firefox does have profiles. Unfortunately the only way I know to access them is using “firefox -p” via the command line. But you can set this to be the default way it launches within that menu.
You should be able to modify the desktop shortcut to run the command every time you click it.
Alternatively, you can create a batch file that runs the command every time you click on it and put it on your desktop. You could probably even assign the Firefox icon to it and pin it to your task bar.
This would all achieve the same as simply unticking “Use the selected profile without asking” option, which is what I tried to say before.
You can use options to create a shortcut that immediately opens a specific profile, which is great (you also need
-no-remotethough). I have a main profile as default but when WFH I use a shortcut to open a work profile (which has a separate sync profile, different addons, etc).
What about the about:profiles page?
I didn’t know about that! Doesn’t seem to have a prompt for startup though?
Set “about:profiles” to your default homepage on your default profile.
Firefox Multi-Account Containers
Firefox has profiles, it’s just not nearly as intuitive/easy to find as Chrome.
I had created shortcuts on the desktop to easily choose between them. One for “school” one for “junk/entertainment” and for “important/shopping”
Eventually after school, I merged them and just use containers. This when I started using a separate password manager. For the sites I have multiple accounts for, it’s no trouble to pick the one I need.
If I ever need a completely separate work browser, I’d use a separate profile for that.
I do keep an “add-on free” profile for when I run into some website that’s completely broken otherwise, but rarely need it.
Check out Floorp. It’s based on Firefox, but has a lot of other functionality. Maybe it has what you’re looking for! https://floorp.app/en/
Personally I agree with the OP; and I refuse to use Brave. This isn’t based in dislike of cryptocurrency in general; but I DESPISE both ADVERTISING AND SHITCOINS (Basically any token or sub-token of a main standalone blockchain that has no real, significant, usable real world value).
Therefore Brave DOES NOT reflect my values. I don’t care if advertising networks make any money, I actively hate them enough I want to deprive them due to their behaviors anyway for being so violently anti-user.
I don’t use Chrome or Brave because they DO NOT reflect my beliefs regarding web standards either, and I refuse to allow Google and the Chromium and Chrome project to dictate standards either. Particularly of note is their utter failure with both FLOC and WEB-INTEGRITY; both of which are stupidly retarded anti-user and anti-privacy features which are horrible.
Web Integrity might be the worst Google thing yet
Brave behaving like Win XP era browser with gazillion toolbars installed, with a pinch of crypto and crypto promoting ads should be a giant red flag.
FOSS =/= trusted by default. Why are there so many FOSS evangelists, but such a damn tiny part of them are programmers, let alone programmers able to examine a source code behind such a giant codebase as web browser?
I use Vivaldi, at least their business model is clear, and developer is kind of trusted, and not crypto scammer and homophobe.
Might I add brave’s BAT wallet is garbage. You had to sign up to some random exchange and upload your ID (I didn’t), but even that you couldn’t even backup your wallet into a new install, so hope that you would never have to format or reinstall or change devices - it’ll be a pain to restore, if it was even possible.
Firefox over brave any day.
making (presumably) thousands of dollars off their users
I agree with this post completely but for some reason you finishing with this makes me chuckle.
Oh no! Thousands! They might be able to pay rent for a month or two!
I’m just being cheeky, and while its true what they did was scummy, it also feels like a really… smallish amount of money?
If we’re literally just talking thousands, and not tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands.
But yeah, fuck Brave.
Firefox gang and Hardened Firefox gang here to stay.
Mozilla’s got its own problems but that’s a story for another day.
The issue is wider than Brave. Nowadays, companies build uncritical communities around their products.
If you try to be critical, you loose the community in which you’re involved on one side. And, if you are critical from the outside, “you don’t understand” like in the “you’re not the choose one”.
Now try saying that at https://lemmy.one/c/privacyguides
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !privacyguides@lemmy.one
Could crosspost it.
I see this exact thread every week now and it’s between the same people:
“Oh ok i stopped using it” to “Naw i’ll keep using brave”
At this point can we stop this? Brave is trash but people are either too stubborn or just don’t care anymore (which is ironic). Either mods just pin this thread and treat this as a “brave is trash” megathread or I don’t know.
Why are there daily posts against Brave but not against other browsers? Is Google more trustworthy than Brave?
