Are these morons suggesting that the union will take over for management?

That’d be a great reason to unionize

No the usual ‘argument’ that references is that it you have a complaint or preference or comment or whatever about your work or job duties, you have to bring it to your union rep, rather than talk directly with your employers management. Somehow that’s supposed to be an argument against unions.

Are these morons suggesting that the union will take over for management?

Some unions make disciplinary processes and who can be terminated under what conditions part of the contract. In the worst cases this creates a scenario where bad workers are functionally impossible to fire and the people there actually trying to get their work done have to deal with it, because the bad apple hasn’t been written up for identical violations on at least 3 different dates in the last 90 days, then been provided with explicit written directions of how not to do what they’ve been doing in a meeting with management and the union rep, then given another month before reevaluating if they’ve corrected the issue, then suspending them if they haven’t, then doing the whole process over again before being allowed to fire them. Passing the improvement plan evaluation resets the whole thing. Presuming what they’re doing isn’t an immediate risk of injury or death, that is (that has an expedited process).

People really out here thinking that if you’re a supervisor you just get like 20 years older lmao

You have much fewer guarantees on pay, benefits, and work rules without a union on your side.

I disagree. Without a union, I CAN GUARANTEE you’re getting screwed.

My union dues are tax deductible too where I live

I’m very pro union. But not all unions are good. My father’s union is so bad he might actually be losing money. They just roll over for management to fuck them, barely negotiate anything at all. Last time, they ‘negotiated’ an increase in pay, and the increase was actually SMALLER than the increase in union dues.

Oh, and they only defend the worst of the worst. Litteral thief, stealing, caught on camera, multiple times ? Well defend you tooth and nails. 'Til the management litterally had to get police involved for them to back down.

Unions in general are good. But for some specific unions, ymmv.

My area of work doesn’t have unions.

That last paragraph is absolutely true. I’ve experienced it first hand.

I pay around £15 per month in membership fees at my Union. But if it weren’t for them, I’d have lost my house when the energy companies hiked their prices, end everyone else did the same to compensate.

Was it garaunteed that they’d win these negotiations? No.

Would I have been better off begging to my managers? Fuck no.

As I said in another comment, my dues are automatically paid through my PTO account which in turn is paid into by my employer. So yeah, it’s still my money, but it’s not coming out of my paycheck at all and I honestly don’t even notice it.

At least in my area, most of your big trade unions have this as an option for members through the IBEW credit union.

I personally prefer going through the union instead of my supervisor. Less stressful for me.

It’s not always necessary to ‘go through the union’ instead of speaking with your manager. For pay, conditions and other disputes, yes, you’d want the collective bargaining of a union to get the best deal. For other things, it’s not always necessary.

I had a fall at work a couple of years ago. I fractured my ankle and was away from work until it healed and I could work again. When I returned, the problem area that lead to my fall hadn’t been looked at. I raised it with management myself and they dealt with my concerns and rectified the issue. I informed my health and safety union rep of what I was doing and he agreed to take it up if necessary. It wasn’t.

The company I work for has a long history of working with unions. They obviously have their motivations to improve efficiency and profitability but generally aren’t arseholes about it. The toxic culture I see in other companies only comes about when bosses can get away with murder because employees aren’t able to stand together.

That’s because the manager is incentivized to not help you, while the union is incentivized to help you.

Unions are game-theoretically necessary.

The fact that they have it on this blatant of a propaganda poster means that unions work.

Not necessarily.

A poster this blatant means unions are bad for management.

It doesn’t prove that unions aren’t bad for both workers and management alike. Business isn’t a zero sum game. To show that something helps workers, you need to demonstrate that it helps workers.

Which is to say, this poster is a bad argument for unions. The success of the writers strike, on the other hand, is a good argument of how unions protect workers from the bad deals management offers.

No guarantee as in “theoretically, we could fold up our entire business instead of bothering to negotiate”. They won’t, of course, but it’s not liably false (IANAL) because there’s a valid weird hypothetical.

Yeah, the whole point is having a legally binding contract that sets wages, hours, and working conditions. Also the “going through your union instead of your manager” is super dumb. It’s like saying, “why talk to your lawyer when you can just confess to the police?”

Very major, especially because it goes both ways. Hey Manager, if you got a problem with me take it up with my union rep.

Obviously that image is of a manager, you can tell by its over confident and under qualified stance.

Also what’s the point of getting informed if the last step is saying no? xD

Same with

No guarantees on pay, benefits or work rules.

This is also technically true - except your union is going to collectively bargain a binding contract which gets you all those things, and prevents you from being exploited or the employer from randomly changing rules to exploit you.

My dues are automatically paid out of my PTO account and are basically an hour’s worth of wages per month.

I don’t even notice it.

Can’t say if this particular one is real but this definitely tracks in the USA. I’ve worked for companies that have mandatory meetings where anti union consultants will play out this kind of propaganda in real time.

In Spain it’s mandatory to have unions for companies with at least 10 employees.

It’s real. Welcome to America! We rebrand the idea of slavery every 100 years or so to great success!

Dunno if this image specifically is real, but anti-union stuff is common in the US.

I worked this one job where a couple of the employees tried to unionize. It had gotten far enough where there was going to be a vote.

Well the company sent this snake woman around that personally gave almost everyone one on one talks to convince them that unions are bad and they should vote “no” on unionizing.

For some reason none of my coworkers took even a second to wonder why the company was so hell bent on getting everyone to vote “no” that they set up one on one personal meetings with some random anti-union lady.

Yeah, enough people voted “no” that we didn’t get to unionize…

The one other thing I will say that was a bit baffling was that at a prior job I was working minimum wage and it had a union where I had to pay union dues. Wtf was the union doing where I was making less than minimum wage?? Not much apparently.

Fellow French - wait until you realize their unions only apply to one company and not a whole industry so they can’t actually do anything on a large scale. This broke me.

Exactly how soaked?