Disturbing visuals of Hamas parading a naked and battered body of a woman on the streets of Israel have emerged. Another woman confirmed that it was her sister, a German citizen, seen in the video.
As the Israel-Gaza conflict rages, disturbing visuals of fighters of the Palestinian armed group Hamas parading a naked and battered body of a woman through the streets of Israel in the back of a pickup truck have emerged.
According to videos that surfaced on social media, a screaming crowd surrounds the Hamas’ vehicle, echoing their cries and spitting on the woman’s body.
Hamas initially claimed that the body belonged to a female Israeli soldier, according to news.com.au. However, Adi Louk confirmed on X that the woman seen in the video was her sister, Shani Louk, a German citizen and a tattoo artist, reported the New York Post.
Shani Louk’s mother, in a video message posted by Visegrad 24 on X, confirmed her daughter’s identity and appealed to people for more information regarding her whereabouts.
I only know some basics of the whole situation, but I really don’t get this attack. Israel is a modern Westernized nation and enjoys STRONG support, financial and military, from many/most other Western developed nations. They have modern weapons of just about all types.
Israel is accused of some awful shit and stealing peoples homes. From what I can see they’re probably guilty of this.
But I don’t understand how killing a bunch of civilians at a rave is going to overall help the cause. It seems to me like a. it’d give your better-armed adversary an excuse to smack you down once and for all, and b. a good way to make the rest of the world feel like they shouldn’t be stopped in doing so (and if anything, helped in their efforts).
So what is the goal? Is this just an expression of pent up anger? Because it seems a poor strategy to me.
not trying to sound like a conspiracy theorist here, but the main Reason Hamas are in Power is because Israelis and Palestinians hate each other.
If the Israelis stop brutalizing the palestinians, Support for Hamas will dwindle. So it is actually in Hamas’ best Interest to agitate Israel.
Also: yes, a mixture of pent-up anger and religious zeal to “exterminate” a “heretic people”.
It’s not that far fetched. It works the other way around as well.
Israel has much more freedom to do what it pleases in terms of its illegal settlements if the other side appears violent and unreasonable. Occupying Gaza creates a breeding ground for extremists, but could be considered an acceptable status quo for Israel as it’s impossible to find broad support for Palestine if it’s associated with extremists.
They are not trying to attract usual people from civilized countries.
They are trying to attract people of the same culture as them and they are succeeding. These actions and videos bring them feeling of dominance, satisfaction and violent pride (of genocidal kind, I dare say), and also of being feared.
Also they are denying Israelis the feeling of safety they had - despite all those missiles sometimes being shot, and all those buses sometimes blowing up, they haven’t been for many years generally afraid of meeting armed thugs face-to-face, being humiliated, beaten, raped, their bodies mutilated and proudly shown by the perpetrators as part of a mass murder. This is a tangible result. This will weaken Israel in some ways long term (and in some strengthen it, probably, but maybe they don’t think that).
Also they have shown that you can make this kind of a raid on Israel with a relatively small force and succeed. All the Arab world now knows this.
And that’s only Hamas. If, say, Hezbollah, a much stronger organization, seriously tries to hurt them, it will.
I am trying to think of the answer objectively. Here is what I can think of the possibility would be:
I think their main goal is to abduct as many Israeli as possible and bring them to Gaza. Why?
[EDIT: A statement has been circulating (on telegram for my case) that Hamas will kill each civilians one by one and made the video/audio public if the Israeli gov don’t stop bombing civilian homes. This is part of the ‘collateral’ that I mean.]
When they attack the military camps, it seems that would just kill as many military personnel as they can, even those unarmed. Those not killed are bonus prizes for them - as good as having civilian hostages - but having civilians is much easier.
So, specifically for the situation at the music festival: why did many civillians got killed if Hamas wanted them alive? I speculate it was due to crowd control gone wrong. There are security personnel with fire arms at the music festival, so there were some shooting going on between them. Or it could be that through the chaos they just decided to kill until they can manage the crowd. Or they were just evil and decide to exert revenge. There could be many other possibilities. Hamas have claimed that those civilian that were killed were actually military personnel, but that’s very unlikely.
Anyway, I could be totally wrong. This is what I can thing of to get some senses of what going on.
It’s a good theory, but why were they shooting at civilian cars then?
I think your theory may make more sense than most (explains the abductions) but it still mostly seems nonsensical.
The actual reason, as said by Hamas’s own press releases, is that they do not consider settlers to be civilians. Israel is an occupation of their land, and all occupiers are legitimate targets.
Strategical when they were on the
offenceoffense, they want to capture easy and high value targets.So the best place is at civilian homes - the least resistance. But those that on the run, like civilian in cars, is no longer easy target. So for those that are on the run, the attackers will default to another main goal - which is to instill fears to other Israeli civilians who will be watching the news that they are no longer safe and the gov are not capable of protecting them - by killing the non-easy targets, to set an example/precedence of terror.
Maybe they’re just a bunch of animals who wanted to kidnap and kill at the same time.
You can say that but that won’t really help because it has emotional element in it. It would be best if we can analyze their actions objectively, and to see how it impacts geopolitical events.
This is not a premature attack. it has been planned for more than a year (based on the interrogation of those captured). [And I am still dumbfounded how the best intelligence agency in the world were not able to smell it]. The goals and objectives most likely have been set by the higher-level parties. So they most likely has certain guidelines on what to do on certain situation so that their overall goals can be achieved. To just kill indiscriminately like animals is very unlikely part of that.
Because the last time Gazans tried a peaceful protest, thousands of people got shot by the Zionist regime: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2019/02/no-justification-israel-shoot-protesters-live-ammunition
Because Palestine cannot win a conventional war against Israel.
Because Palestine cannot let the status quo continue to oppress them, because the status quo is itself encroaching on Palestinian land and Palestinian rights.
Do you have a better solution? These attacks have caused a massive flight of people from Israel, have forced the Bank of Israel to take very aggressive action to avoid the collapse of the shekel, have mobilized the countries bordering Israel, and have indicated that Palestinian resistance is not hopeless.
I think it’s the whole targeting unarmed civilians for rape, torture, kidnapping, and murder that people are taking issue with.
So this attack was not just in one place. From what I’ve gathered it seems to have been
These attacks took place in many locations and they did actually attack and briefly take over several military outposts and checkpoints. It seems one of the primary goals was to take as many hostages as possible, and they have hidden these hostages throughout Gaza, sending the message that if Israel retaliates with bombs (which they have), they could be killing their own citizens. Hamas has also had success in the past with much smaller scale hostage taking, trading in one instance a single Israeli POW for around 1000 Palestinian POWs.
This is also the case. Israel is a formidable enemy with all of the power in the conflict, and the backing of multiple other world powers. Hamas has no hope of “winning” the conflict on their own. This is clearly also driven by desperation and hopelessness
I just can’t fathom how it wouldn’t also have helped Hamas’ cause by forbidding any form of sexual violence.
It would have helped their cause if it had been possible to draw comparisons between them and Israel: both kill lots of civilians. But the reports of rape and other sexual violence just makes it impossible to feel anything but disgust.
These are religious nutcase terrorists. Plan to gain Western support is not in their plans.
They are also an oppressed people with no other options.
palestinians yes, Hamas not.
palestine proudly stands with Hamas
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I think a broad look at Israel’s policies is long overdue in a few areas.
But this action virtually guarantees that won’t happen.
Doing nothing wasn’t helping much either. Damned if you do… Yadda yadda
I’d say the same about many current political “policies” in the United States.
“Fuck the environment! I actively hope we all die to global warming! Abortion is horrible, even when it’s used to save a mother’s life!! Slavery never existed!”
Just as loony, in the whole world’s eyes. But it caters to some savagely angry crowds out there.
It’s possible that there is no helping their cause and the people who realized that just wanted to punish their oppressors.