Was just casually checking out some videos from this voice coach lady… when suddenly I find out she’s trans too! Kinda makes me feel inspired, with progress like that.
This is really cool stuff. I never knew how amazing the human body and mind is when discipline meets consistency.
This woman sounds like she was never born a man; her dead-voice is very masculine and her new voice is very impressive.
She wasn’t born a man. Trans women don’t “become” women. They stop hiding the fact they are
Different people use different words about their transition, and I think you’re imposing your own experience onto others. To say that trans women categorically weren’t men in the past totally invalidates how I have always described my transition. I don’t share your experience, and I don’t describe my past self the way you seem to think I should.
I was comfortable with my gender, and I don’t think it was invalid for me to have identified as a boy. That’s not who I am now, but that doesn’t invalidate my identity for the first 16 years of my life. And I think if speaking, behaving, or filling the social role of a male doesn’t make it valid to say that I used to be a boy, then that feels invalidating to everything I thought made me a woman. :/
But I think all of this is heavily philosophical and subjective, so I’m not saying your feelings are wrong either. But to say that the only way for trans people to be is the way you perceive them to be is not just silly, it runs the risk of invalidating everyone else who doesn’t share your feelings on the matter. Our identities are our own to express, not yours.
Different people use different words about their transition, and I think you’re imposing your own experience onto others.
If a gender diverse person tells me that their gender changed, then their gender changed.
If a cis person is assuming that a person’s gender has changed just because they transitioned, I’m going to correct them, because when held in ignorance, that’s a position that is generally based on harmful ideas about the trans experience. And if they’re interested in discussing it further, we can have a discussion of the nuance of how it all works.
Letting a cis person assume that all trans people’s gender changes when they transition does more harm than good IMO.
But to say that the only way for trans people to be is the way you perceive them to be
I am quite explicitly not saying this. If your gender changed, it changed :)
If a gender diverse person tells me that their gender changed, then their gender changed.
The problem is that you’re assuming the past gender of trans women categorically.
But to say that the only way for trans people to be is the way you perceive them to be
I am quite explicitly not saying this.
You said:
She wasn’t born a man. Trans women don’t “become” women. They stop hiding the fact they are
I’m trying to tell you that this claim is not just wrong, but it’s a harmful over-generalization. I was not a girl for the first ~12-16 years of my life, and that’s why I’m telling you our identities (past and present) are ours to determine, not yours. I was a boy, I did become a girl. I was comfortably cis for a long time, but things changed as I grew up.
Reading this stuff today only serves to drag those anxieties back up, because if we assume your claim is true then I either wasn’t a boy back then, or I’m not a trans woman now. I have to sit here and think about how you’re wrong, and why trans people don’t have to have always been trans in order to transition and be valid.
That’s what motivated me to respond to you. Whether or not you’re willing to grapple with the idea that you may be hurting people is your prerogative, I’m just telling you those claims have done harm to me in the past and may be harmful to others now, specifically young people.
Zheanna is great. For anyone looking to get started her voice feminization for absolute beginners video is great. For anyone just getting started my biggest recommendation would be don’t try to make a fem voice with these exercises, just try to hit the individual targets. And whatever you do, DON’T STRAIN!
Further reminders. Stop drinking caffeine, alcohol, smoking and remember to drink water.
Oh, ok. So this might not be an option after all.
I guzzle coffee like it’s water and my voice is ok. Things like this are very much the side things that can help, but won’t make or break your overall success
Wait, you were looking for voice coaching from someone you thought was a cis woman?
Is that a thing?
Yes? Lol, I’m a little perplexed that you’re perplexed by that?
But I guess it’s a little niche. And not specifically focused for transition. I’m not surprised at all that she’s a musician because my own vocal training was also in the context of music. But I used that training extensively outside of my singing (and still do).
It’s funny because my vocal coach used to absolutely harangue me about deepening my voice. But as a female presenting person in the business world (in the 90s), that was necessary for survival. And I was deeply uncomfortable with my feminine sounding voice when I was younger. I’ve grown to accept it more now, although I still lower and project my voice at work or in other situations where I need to make myself be taken seriously.
That vocal training also allowed me to selectively “turn off” my native Appalachian accent - another thing that gets you nowhere in a lot of professional settings. But I slip back into it when I’m really tired or when I’m talking to my dad lol
