it’s hard to live laugh love on the internet under these conditions
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I cannot understand a single word
this person explained it https://lemmy.cafe/post/5932507/6475215 :)
I’m just here for the free popcorn.
I think that is the worst thing trolling has done to internet culture: People will assume that their conversation partner is not arguing in good faith as the standard assumption.
The enlightened way is to treat everyone as sincere, even if they aren’t. Trolls who pretend to be bigots are actual bigots. I try to give correct answers that would also offend the poster if they were a troll.
A-freaking-men! oh my god this bothers me so much. How dare the people on the explicitly autistic section of Lemmy not immediately understand textual social cues and telepathically understand all of the current Leftist Rhetoric™?
I swear, 90% of the people in 196 think they’re the only person here who isn’t autistic, genderqueer, or both. It’s a gay bar where half the people in it are straight. Autistic people love written rules, so what if we put one rule in the sidebar that we don’t actually expect a single person to follow and then just assumed everybody knew the rest?
Everybody loves hanging out with the weirdos until they actually start acting weird.
Everybody loves hanging out with the weirdos until they actually start acting weird.
So perfectly worded and I feel this so hard. I was nervous to post this as I was sure I was just gonna get hate for it but glad others are finding catharsis in the sentiment getting out there :)
and if you happen to be one of the true sealions/jaq ppl who made everything online such a miserable mess you can kick rocks 💞💞💞
What the hell does sealion/jaq mean?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
jaq means “just asking questions”, people always playing devil’s advocate
I never really understood this. What’s the difference between sealioning and calling someone out for saying stupid shit? I feel like “sealioning” only exists as a term people can use to reframe a situation from “I talked shit and can’t/won’t back it up yet won’t admit it” to “you’re aggressing against me by expecting me to stand behind or explain my words”. Am I just a big dunderhead?
Edit: oh ok, I RTFA lol, makes a lot more sense. I guess the original comic is just not a great example of it in my opinion, but that makes sense since it’s just a silly comic
I think people are too terminally online and use these phrases to justify being an ass to someone not in the know. In reddit it was always a mod getting pissed at someone having a different opinion (and no I’m not talking about being racist as a different opinion) or asking questions because they don’t know about the subject. They cry sealion and ban the person. Other people say I don’t think they were a sealion, and get banned too. Really it seems more like a, “I disagree and have nothing more to say and now will ban you.”
I think it’s fine to ask questions, and point out if there is a flaw in someone’s logic. If someone wants to stop talking then that’s fine and should be respected. But this comic makes it seem like the lady is racist for no reason and the sea lion is fine until the last 3 panels when the sea lion doesn’t leave after being told to go away.
I’ve heard this term before from a power mod and I’m surprised that this comes from a webcomic that doesn’t even fit any time I’ve seen someone cry sealion. When I read the Wikipedia page it describes something else than the comic which I can agree more with, the author is quoted as saying, “The core of what I set out to criticize is just the notion that any random patient stranger should feel entitled to as much of someone’s attention as they want.” Idk the rest of the Wikipedia page talks more of mind reading, you can’t tell what someone means online since there is no tone and you don’t know the other person well enough. If they are just doing the first 3 panels then it is fine. The last time I saw a “sealion” happen was when mods of a sub announced a new unpopular rule that they knew people would leave the sub because of and anyone who disagreed were called a sealion and banned.
Sorry for ranting about this, I just now was reminded of why I hate this term that is usually misused because of your comment. Feel free to ignore me, I don’t think I deserve some random person’s undivided attention, plus arguments/debates stress me out anyway.
i’m 10 days late but am 100% with you and wish more people on the internet were like you
I think I may been in a similar situation here? A while back someone posted a screenshot of a twitter post that highlighted how trans people make up a tiny proportion of the population, yet political parties make a disproportionate deal out of them. And I totally agree with the sentiment, but I was interested in how the statistics were worked out. But apparently me asking about that showed that I was trying to distract from the point?
I just wanted to know more really 🤷♂️
Truly!
FWIW here is a study, including its methodology in detail.
Honestly a lot of people on lemmy legitimately do not know what sea lioning is and use it to mean “you said something that annoyed me.”
i certainly didn’t the first time i got hit with it! and i felt so bad that they felt i was trying to mess with them :( and then they read each apology as further disingenuous snark and it’s all too late to recover
To me, Sea Lions are cute and have a tendency in San Francisco to block rich people from their fancy boats by coming en mass to warm themselves on the gangways.
So even though I can’t pet them (it’s illegal and they will fuck a man up) i have nothing but love for sea lions.
fuck yeah bestie 🥰💖
will you post the “sealioning” copy? (all I can think of is operation sealion)
As a side note it always bugs me that the original text of the meme is kind of just weirdly defending racism?
Like clearly in this universe sea lions and maybe even all sea animals are sentient and can speak. The “victim” does a hate crime by saying they could do without that entire race. So yes, sealion bro should not be intruding into this couple’s personal life, but besides that I respect him for trying to do something to change this clearly bigoted man’s behavior and perspective, and it’s noble sealion lad didn’t just punch (slap?) the probably nazi mf in the face the moment he heard his entire community get dissed and told it would be better not existing.
And then in the last panel the man uses the sea lion trying to defend his ethnic community to justify further bigotry!
Anyway. I realize I have invested myself in the race relations of a fictional world. Just be kind on the internet yall.
yeah it’s really weird. Like if someone said something racist/otherwise bigoted i’d try to argue with them too? And pointing out they have no valid sources for their bigotry is an effective tactic that might make them question their beliefs
Yeah, not a big fan of the original either
Thank you! <3 I think I sorta get it now!
