Kyle Rittenhouse’s sister Faith is seeking $3,000 on a crowdfunding website in a bid to prevent the eviction of herself and her mother Wendy from their home, citing her “brother’s unwillingness to provide or contribute to our family.”

  • ObjectivityIncarnate@lemmy.world
    422·
    5 个月前

    Actions speak louder than words, especially when those words are a teen talking big to his friends.

    The fact is, nothing he did in Kenosha supports the claim that he wanted to kill anyone, period, and everything he did directly contradicts it. He showed zero aggression toward anyone, and his first response to aggression toward him was to RUN AWAY, every single time. Bottom line, none of the people who got shot would have gotten shot if they had let him run away.

    • JimSamtanko@lemm.ee
      9·
      5 个月前

      ROFL…. “locker room talk” right? You apologists are fucking hilarious. Where I come from (America) this is called “Premeditated Murder.” And in any courtroom with an unbiased judge, he’d have been convicted on that alone.

      • ObjectivityIncarnate@lemmy.world
        315·
        5 个月前

        ‘You can tell he planned to kill someone by the fact that he never showed aggression toward anyone, and his first response to unprovoked aggression toward him, all three times, was to run away’

        lol

        • JimSamtanko@lemm.ee
          111·
          5 个月前

          You can tell he planned to kill someone by the fact that he said this:

          “Bro, I wish I had my f—ing AR. I’d start shooting rounds at them."

          lol indeed.

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
            111·
            5 个月前

            I like how they’re saying he never showed aggression to anyone despite showing up with a fucking rifle.

          • ObjectivityIncarnate@lemmy.world
            213·
            5 个月前

            Actions speak louder than words. He was around tons of looters (that’s what the people he was talking about were doing, when he said that) that day. Why didn’t he ‘shoot rounds’ at any of them, if that was his plan? He had all the opportunity in the world.

            That’s the question people making this argument can’t answer honestly, because the only honest answer is that what he did directly contradicts what he said.

            Arguing that he planned to do something that he literally didn’t do, despite myriad opportunities, is just silly.

            Actions speak louder.

            • JimSamtanko@lemm.ee
              73·
              5 个月前

              Again… you apologists are fucking hilarious. Dude wanted to kill people. He killed people. No amount of hand waiving and excuses from you will change that.

              It’s a fact. And it is easily proven via reality.

              • TheFonz@lemmy.world
                35·
                5 个月前

                Yes, ok. But you’re not providing a counterargument. These are all just feelings. It’s possible he was there to kill people. It’s also possible he saw what happened in Minneapolis when rioters set entire storefronts on fire a few weeks prior and was concerned about his community.

                If he really wanted just to kill people he had lots more opportunities before he was being chased. The person you’re responding too is just countering your arguments but all you have very charged feelings about the case which is understandable.

                Kyle is a bad person who did something really stupid but it doesn’t help to fight every person on details which have been disproven in court. The whole trial is available to watch online. Our side needs to do better and stay grounded in facts otherwise we just lose all credibility.

                • JimSamtanko@lemm.ee
                  21·
                  5 个月前

                  It’s not feelings. It’s facts. He was on video saying he wanted to kill people. And it’s also well documented that the judge in the case was incredibly biased. He didn’t allow damning evidence against the murderer that any other judge would have allowed.

                  Look it up.

                  • TheFonz@lemmy.world
                    23·
                    5 个月前

                    Yes, I never said that wasn’t true.

                    Please follow closely because it’s getting lost in the sauce and I know there’s a lot of charged feelings involved in this conversation.

                    He may have said he wanted to genocide all people on earth and stomp on puppies prior to the event. He still has the right to self defense which is the crux of the whole argument.

                    In the US bad people have a right to self defence (In America open carry is legal and I’m grateful I moved out of the US).

                    I can tell you feel very passionate about the topic. My recommendation is that you go and watch the trial (the whole trial was recorded) or at the least download the transcripts and follow the evidence.

                    Just to repeat: I agree Kyle is a bad person. But we have to ground our discourse in facts. It doesn’t help to create false mythos around bad people because it only emboldens the other side.