• JimSamtanko@lemm.ee
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    6 months ago

    I don’t think anyone is denying the atrocities. Or at least none that I’ve seen-

    But what I AM seeing is a lot of people that understand the nuance in the situation, and trying to explain that not voting is going to get Trump. I also see people coming back to challenge this in bad faith knowing it’s been explained to them many times over.

    But we’re not allowed to call these people what they are. So we have to play along with it and pretend it’s all legitimate.

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      The only reason you feel you have to pretend that it’s legitimate is because it’s true on face-value: democrats have chosen a losing position and are going to lose because of it. Rather than pledging fealty before we need to it’s far more important to work to get democrats to ammend their policy

      Wishing people would ignore the issue and hold their nose isn’t a strategy to keep Trump out, it’s denial

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      A fact of living in a liberal democracy is that residents have the right to openly criticize the government

      If that right is no longer exercisable then we are already lost

      If Dems don’t like what voters are saying then they should change their policy. Very simple solution.

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        6 months ago

        You certainly are busy responding to my every comment today. Enjoying my comment history?

        And

        A fact of living in a liberal democrat is that citizens absolutely DO have that right.

        And other citizens have the right to call out the bad faith propagandists that aren’t here to criticize the government, but only to criticize ONE government official.

        You see, we all are very aware of the silence from the “far left” propagandists that pretend to be here in good faith when it comes to criticism of the right and the factually proven worse treatment Palestine will receive under Trump.

        But you don’t really care about that, do you?

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            A right wing shill accusing me of being a shill. That’s rich. And I’m not here to be liked by people like you. Just to call them out for the ridiculous concept that not doing something will bring change- when not once in history has this ever been proven to work.

            But keep up with the propaganda- it seems some people still believe you.

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              6 months ago

              If you think any of my posts are right wing then you’re not sophisticated enough to be commenting, let alone voting

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      6 months ago

      I don’t think anyone is denying the atrocities.

      “Contrary to allegations against Israel made by the International Court of Justice, what’s happening is not genocide.” - Joe Biden.

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        Jesus fucking Christ man. Read for the topic, now for what you want it to mean…

        No one was talking about Biden. We’re clearly talking about how the far left accuses anyone that is still voting as supporting genocide.

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          Their point is that Israel is committing genocide and Biden is abetting that genocide while also engaging in genocide denial.

          Which is political suicide for the Democrats. He has seriously miscalculated this issue and needs to recalibrate immediately. There is no other option.

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              Why would any voter take the blame for Biden committing a genocide with our tax dollars?

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                Why indeed, when you are trying so hard to get Trump elected so he can do SO much worse. Your disingenuous bad faith nonsense isn’t lost on many people here.

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                  Biden is committing genocide.

                  Yet, Trump is worse.

                  But Biden is committing genocide.