And i don’t mean stuff like deepfakes/sora/palantir/anything like that, im talking about why the anti-genai crowd isn’t providing an alternative where you can get instant feedback when you’re journaling

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    Do communists really think that the availability of easy knock-off logos and labels outweighs artists getting paid for their labor?

    One would have to explain why it is not capitalism but the technology itself that is at fault. Marxists should be for the socialisation and automation of all labour; under capitalism this may mean unemployment so for artisans that leaves only one source of income which is the defense of proprietorship which is again reactionary.

    For marxists the above should be relatively straight forward but for the uninitiated it may take more reading around. In practice though our opinions often reflect our relative class positions or aspirations ie under capitalism often “emancipation” or just protection of income in the long-run often ends up being seeking to become a labour aristocrat (which here could involve gatekeeping skilled labour) or bourgoisie aspiration (protection of intellectual property).

    One should not lament the weaver for the loom; society should advance to give each person freedom to enjoy non-paid activities and should increasingly advance so that we should not have to be paid in order to survive ie working towards the abolishment of wage slavery. However, under capital there is no mechanism for this so results in the increasing contradictions and immiseration of society.

    (Marxism is a science, and the above context it is the understanding of the mechanisms of capital and how we could potentially build socialism from that understanding)

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      Thanks for the explanation.

      One problem I see with comparing GenAI with earlier automation like the loom, etc. is that GenAI is in no way paying for itself so far or any time in the forseeable future. It currently loses money hand over fist despite massive breaks in the form of “free” source content and subsidized electricity. I imagine that those previous forms of automation were self-sustaining financially from fairly early after their invention.

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        Thank you!

        One problem I see with comparing GenAI with earlier automation like the loom, etc. is that GenAI is in no way paying for itself so far or any time in the forseeable future. It currently loses money hand over fist despite massive breaks in the form of “free” source content and subsidized electricity. I imagine that those previous forms of automation were self-sustaining financially from fairly early after their invention.

        There is an economic phenomenon called the Tendancy of the rate of profit to fall (https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Tendency_of_the_rate_of_profit_to_fall) which correlates with what you are saying; under capitalism there is no clean way out of this which is why you see AI market bubbles in the west that you don’t see it in a socialist country like China.

        And it is also, as you have rightly pointed out, why the return on investment is generally signifcantly worse than it was before (as a general trend). If one does a course in business administration in the west they do mental gymnastics why the rate of profit in the IT sector as a whole is so abysmal and have ad-hoc theories with no predictive value to explain the phenomenon (ie they don’t have a scientific approach).

        You’ll find, and pretty much every marxist will testify to this, that seeminly puzzling politico-economical phenomenon/contradictions under liberal economics not only have robust explanations in marxism but also very good predictive powers - as a science does, and continually refines theory to reflect better observations seen as a science should.

        Edited to add - some further reading just in case you need them if you read the article in the above link:

        1. https://redsails.org/capital-v1-summary/
        2. https://redsails.org/labour-and-labour-power/
        3. https://redsails.org/wage-labour-and-capital/