Do any of them know what the word “liberal” actually means?

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    7 months ago

    Lmao check out all the salty libs seeing themselves get called out in these comments.

    • sincerely, an anarcho-syndicalist
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      7 months ago

      Pretty much. “Lol why don’t you like libs?”

      …cause we don’t like things the way they are, and the only goal of the libs appears to be prevent any sort of progress. Maybe we are allowed relief from existing problems, but fuck you if you wanna fix em!

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        the only goal of the libs appears to be prevent any sort of progress.

        “Liberal” in America is literally synonymous with “progressive”. The entire point of the party is progress.

        @Cowbee@lemmy.ml here’s another one

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          “Liberal” in America is literally synonymous with “progressive”. The entire point of the party is progress.

          What are you even talking about? There are numerous Democrat politicians who don’t label themselves as progressive.

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            I didn’t say “Democrat” at all in my comment.

            All progressives are Democrats, not all Democrats are progressives. The Democratic party is a coalition.

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          Lol which party is pushing for progress?

          The one throwing kids in jail for protesting genocide?

          The one funnelling money to Israel hand over foot?

          The one that let Republicans stack the judiciary while crying that it was “unfair” but not actually working to stop it?

          Fuck the D’s bunch of cowards.

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            Yes.

            Fuck the GOP. They’re doing everything you criticise the Dems for, except worse. That’s what “progress” means. Not that everything is instantly perfect. That it’s less bad.

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              That is absolutely NOT what progress means, you fucking dipshit.

              prog·ress noun /ˈpräɡrəs/

              forward or onward movement toward a destination.
              "the darkness did not stop my progress"
              

              Moving slightly slower on enshittofication than the other guys does not meet that definition.

              Improvement, actual improvement, is what is required by progress.

              I’m not asking for everything to instantly be better. I’m demanding that things stop slowly getting worse.

    • GBU_28@lemm.ee
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      7 months ago

      The only time I ever see evidence of Anarcho types they are being literally as annoying as possible.

      Edit for clarity, it’s never “I started this charity/group/political campaign with signups/events/or public engagement.” Only ever “fuck everything, I can’t wait for society to fall apart such that the magic future can begin”

      Bro you gotta be constructive not destructive if you want to sway opinions

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        Anarchists are pretty active in their communities, with mutual aid and direct action being cornerstones of the ideology and whatnot. If you spent any time in activist spaces you’d know that

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          The point is they need to bring the nice side to public spaces, not be insular with the nice, and turn the mean to everything else.

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            I think what you’re describing is less of an anarchism problem and more of a “people in general” problem. I’m an anarchist and I’d like to think I conduct myself pretty well for the most part, even in political discussions. I won’t say I haven’t been an ass online or in person before but that’s not due to my ideology. I’m just an ass sometimes. Same as everyone else. I will concede that we can be a bit insular at times and that’s certainly a weak spot for many anarchists

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              I’ll level with you on that. Everyone is an ass sometimes for sure. I’ve been pretty facetious so far so I’ll try to be more legit in this comment, as you have been legit too.

              I’m of course discussing an anecdotal perspective. I totally get down with a lot of what leftists discuss, when they do so constructively.

              To clarify: much leftist discourse is about what’s wrong, and destruction of society (to build something better). Eventually it all smells of doomerism. I was anecdotally calling for leftists to talk about constructive things they are attempting, that “the rest of us” could see, and align with.

              I acknowledge the world is in a rough spot right now. I acknowledge liberals are not always right. I acknowledge many liberal policies need to go. But from the perspective of the observer… The skeptic… The dude just paying bills and living, liberals are trying to build things, and affect change. Leftists seem to just want to destroy.

              My hope would be that through constructive cooperation liberal “realistic” policy is brought closer to leftist idealistic goals.

              *Realistic in that the policy actually gets voted on and made into law

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        I returned because I noticed your edit. I was being a bit snide, mostly because the meme is assuming everyone who calls someone a lib is authoritarian-aligned. If you’d like to know about the positive work I do as an organizer, I’d be happy to share. However, to me those actions are just the right thing to do and not worth bringing up randomly.

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          That’s fair. Below I clarified as well, this is a meta.thread. of course no one is discussing their work here. Also my opinion is anecdotal. Of course there are leftists who work very hard to move the window, and help others.

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        …you said, being literally as annoying as possible and contributing nothing constructive

        …he said, fully cognizant of the hypocrisy, which is why he decided to contribute a snarky editorial comic

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            Bro you gotta be constructive not destructive if you want to sway opinions

            At least I admitted my hypocrisy and did something about it. You’re just doubling down on a lazy stereotype to avoid engaging with constructive criticism.

            To paraphrase your own claim, it wasn’t “I started this charity/group/political campaign with signups/events/or public engagement.” Only “fuck anarcho types always annoying me”

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              This is a thread about how folks act. So this is a “meta” politics thread.

              This isn’t the place I, or leftists would describe /do that. I’m describing other times and places where said behavior was observed.

              Critical thinking.