• femur@lemmy.ml
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    18 hours ago

    I have noticed in Australia that Universal Health care is slowly becoming less universal (i.e. bulk billing has reduced significantly). So if we don’t pay attention, we may become one of the grey countries

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      17 hours ago

      I was going to ask what universal actually means.

      You’re right that free GP appointments don’t really exist anymore. However, anyone can roll up to emergency and be treated for free.

  • LegoBrickOnFire@lemmy.world
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    19 hours ago

    I don’t know if it makes sense to include switzerland. There is a mandatory health insurance. Is this really what “universal health coverage” means?

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      17 hours ago

      You could say the same thing about Australia really. 2% of your income unless you’re very poor or very wealthy.

  • mystic-macaroni@lemmy.ml
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    21 hours ago

    “Developed” vs. “Undeveloped” is highly subjective and seems very vaguely racist. Don’t we have a way to quantify rather than qualify such a thing? Sonething like GDP per capita?

    Also. Stop saying “third world countries”. Third world countries are countries which aligned themselves with neither the Axis nor Allies during ww2.

  • altphoto@lemmy.today
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    1 day ago

    There’s some variability in quality:

    Here’s a fellow brown person saying “I don’t want to die” as an example. I remember “el seguro” was never enough when things really mattered.

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    1 day ago

    If you take the best chagtp, which is open source and free, download and place behind log in at your health care provider, and then you auto feed into it your medical data, as registered by your doctor, all hypochondriacs could sit all day talking about their swollen foot, and not burden any GP. If you combine this automatic doctoring with a type of vending machines for blood tests. Because in many treatments, a blood result A, will always be followed by treatment B. These would then be categorized as a specific and separate type of prescription drugs. And can be prescribed by nurses or AI.

    And in all cases where these are used, a blood test vending machine can be also used. You then get your pill or whatever without annoying the doctor. This can also be scaled up at almost no cost and extended world wide. And there there would in fact be some universal health case everywhere.

    Then you add mobile phone apps which by means of phone sensors are able to perform some diagnostics at the request of your AI doctor, and transmit these data directly into your medical file.

    Another thing you could then do, is to add on top of it Japanese kampo medicine, and evidence based herbal treatments, which-in combination with over the counter drugs- can remedy some shortages for the very poorest people. This would then be a world wide health care foundation.

    Finally, one could then discuss how to provide the really important treatments on top of this, cancer etc. And other surgeries.

    And if anyone is impressed by this, wait until i tell you about my perpetual motion machine…But what I have described involves NO tech innovations at all, just implementing systematically what already exists. Free AI exists, medical records exist, phone apps exist, vending machines exist. Kampo, over the counter and herbs exist, nutritional knowledge exist. The reason why herbal remedies are mentioned is not that they have superior effect, which they do not, but rather the lower production costs.

    What does not exist is integration of these into a system. But this system, if implemented, would be largely automated.

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      21 hours ago

      I see my suggestions above are not well liked :) But remember that this is more than many people have today on earth. And for these people, something is better than nothing. And when much can be achieved and scaled up at very low cost, then I do not see why it in any way conflicts with the existing health service? It will simply raise the lower up, and create a higher foundation. It does not bring anything or anyone down…?

      Edit: Let me make an example of how it would work. I cut my finger and it becomes infected. Then i wonder whether i should apply aloe vera, which i can buy at the supermarket, or whether I need antibiotic cream. I then log in to the official health portal and ask the AI doctor, which tells me to turn on GPS on my phone and open their phone app. Then I direct the camera on the phone to the wound, which is scanned by AI, uploaded to my medical records, analyzed and a diagnosis made. If I am hysterical, AI will tell me to first clean and dress the wound, treat it with aloe vera, and take another photo tomorrow, or if the condition changes. And if antibiotics are needed, it will prescribe a code for a vending machine nearby. If I live in the countryside, it will offer to have the antibiotic cream sent to me by mail at agreed rates deducted from payment methods in my health portal. Many herbal treatments will therefore be subject to more monitoring than they are today. Even if they will be just as available for anyone to store at home. But a few other drugs, now prescribed by doctors will be more easily available. The doctors are simply over-qualified to deal with this. And they have enough to do as it is. Today you must often wait three weeks for a doctor’s appointment.

  • алсааас [she/they]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    1 day ago

    Also all of eastern Europe and all ex-Soviet republics used to have UHC, well until economic shock therapy, I.e. illegal theft of public property through shock privatisation, from which they are still recovering lol

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      1 day ago

      It was only enacted by Bismarck because they banned the whole SPD for a few years and didn’t want their heads chopped off.

      It was already a compromise at the time not only the reason of it’s implementation, but also execution

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      1 day ago

      Yep.

      We’re ashamed to admit it’s the same system Canada uses; just with more investment.

      Edit: oh, and also Cuba! But Cuba is doing far better than expected given its poverty level, because Cubans are super-human.

    • 🍉 Albert 🍉@lemmy.world
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      2 days ago

      Whenever people say Americans don’t have a tax payer funded universal healthcare, that’s BS.

      American taxes go to Israels universal healthcare.

      they really enjoy it

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    The US is the only developed country that does not have UHC

    I see all of eastern Europe, lots of the Middle East, some of Southeast Asia, and a bit of South America that would probably count as “developed”.

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      1 day ago

      OPs pic isn’t up-to-date & healthcare is generally a complex topic (“UHC” isn’t a strictly defined term).

      Here is a more representative map:

      (wiki/Universal_health_care_by_country)

      The colors represent practical application, not theoretical law (eg more countries allow private insurance besides a public one in a mixed system, but it seems it’s shown as such only where it’s significant).