There’s like 15 people in this country who could be looking for work and aren’t. How does inflicting revenge pain on them raise any sort of money for the rest of us?
They’re either lying, or utterly incompetent when it comes to understanding who’s in the welfare system.
We’ve come full circle on this one. This is pretty much exactly the same shit they said 13 years ago when we all had to ‘tighten our budgets’ whilst the richest people in the UK got significantly richer at our expense.
Mate I work a minimum wage warehouse job and my partner works part time in a supermarket. We rent a 2 bed terrace house that hasn’t had any work done to it in 20 years and can barely afford to keep the lights on. Middle class I ain’t.
But in the grand scheme of things it’s a relatively small percentage of people. And If they were serious about saving the tax payers money they wouldn’t have written off a few billion in COVID loans a few years back.
They couldn’t give two shits if some bloke is down the job center claiming a few hundred quid to sit on his arse, and tbh neither should we. There’s significantly bigger fish to fry.
When did I say people aren’t playing the system? I said it’s massively overestimated given the numbers of people that aren’t playing the system.
And welfare spending also includes Pensions. It’s also by far and away the largest portion of that pie. Maybe we could take the state pension away from people who already have a nice cushty private pension and distribute that percentage back to people who aren’t in a position to retire at all?
For the record, it seems like ~10 million people aren’t working who are of working age in the UK. If it’s millions, it would mean that at least 1 in 5 people not working abuses the system. Do you really think it’s that high?
The OP is clearly using hyperbole. But only 1% of the welfare bill goes on unemployment benefits, so even if absolutely everyone on unemployment benefits is cheating and you cut them off, you don’t save much. In reality the majority of people on unemployment benefits are not cheating the system - a system that already sanctions the unemployed for not actively seeking work.
You’d be surprised to find out that it’s way more than 15 people. I’ve personally known at least a dozen who immigrated to the UK just because of the welfare system and they’d abuse it by getting paid for sitting on their ass all day.
I was an audiotypist for benefit fraud interviews for many years. My partner at the time worked in the BDC. I’m also a first generation immigrant. What I’m trying to say is that you absolutely are talking out your arse.
I can assure you that even if anyone immigrates to the UK, the road between stepping foot in the country and being able to claim benefits is long and complex.
A lot of EU migrants have easy access to benefits. And people from Eastern Europe know how to live frugally (source: I’m one of them). Living on benefits in the UK is easy, benefits are bigger than average salaries in many Eastern European countries, housing is also covered, so you’re getting shit loads of money doing absolutely nothing. I know a person from my country, who migrated to the UK, got furloughed during the pandemic, then spent some time on UC while constantly travelling across Europe for fun, now she bought a flat in her home country and moved back. Buying a flat while living on benefits, isn’t that a dream?
The benefits system in the UK is ridiculous. It doesn’t help those in need, but allows a lot of people to defraud the system and milk it for cash.
Tell me ‘fellow migrant’, what length of time must you have been living in the UK, on what terms of immigration, and what stipulations must be fulfilled before a claim can be made (that will be processed and NOT automatically declined) by the Department for Work and Pensions.
If someone was furloughed, then they weren’t on UC. Also, I had to travel back to my home country during the pandemic because my mother died from covid and I’m an only child. I had been claiming UC at the time and my benefits were stopped while I was there because I left the country for more than 30 days.
The more you carry on with this lie, the more evident it is that you have zero idea what you’re talking about.
I am completely open to debate your claims factually. However, it looks like the facts don’t support your little narrative. So it’s probably a good idea for you to throw in the towel now.
I mean I’ll happily have a debate about the merits of UBI in a world where we’re rushing towards mass unemployment, but that’s aside it’s a very very small segment of people on welfare who are “playing the system”.
It’s bullshit rhetoric designed to get people shouting down at the poorest in our society whilst the richest get away with stealing from us all.
UBI changes the game too though as you don’t lose if if you are working. Its always there so you don’t have to navigate a beurocratic process instead of being able to look for work.
There’s like 15 people in this country who could be looking for work and aren’t. How does inflicting revenge pain on them raise any sort of money for the rest of us?
They’re either lying, or utterly incompetent when it comes to understanding who’s in the welfare system.
Or both I guess.
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They understand what their voters want to hear: it’s not us causing the problem in this country, it’s the lazy benefit cheats
We’ve come full circle on this one. This is pretty much exactly the same shit they said 13 years ago when we all had to ‘tighten our budgets’ whilst the richest people in the UK got significantly richer at our expense.
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Clearly the poors should be pulling themselves up by their stiff upper lip or something like that
A bloody lot more than that.
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Mate I work a minimum wage warehouse job and my partner works part time in a supermarket. We rent a 2 bed terrace house that hasn’t had any work done to it in 20 years and can barely afford to keep the lights on. Middle class I ain’t.
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But in the grand scheme of things it’s a relatively small percentage of people. And If they were serious about saving the tax payers money they wouldn’t have written off a few billion in COVID loans a few years back.
They couldn’t give two shits if some bloke is down the job center claiming a few hundred quid to sit on his arse, and tbh neither should we. There’s significantly bigger fish to fry.
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When did I say people aren’t playing the system? I said it’s massively overestimated given the numbers of people that aren’t playing the system.
And welfare spending also includes Pensions. It’s also by far and away the largest portion of that pie. Maybe we could take the state pension away from people who already have a nice cushty private pension and distribute that percentage back to people who aren’t in a position to retire at all?
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I don’t know it. Can you show any kind of proof?
For the record, it seems like ~10 million people aren’t working who are of working age in the UK. If it’s millions, it would mean that at least 1 in 5 people not working abuses the system. Do you really think it’s that high?
The OP is clearly using hyperbole. But only 1% of the welfare bill goes on unemployment benefits, so even if absolutely everyone on unemployment benefits is cheating and you cut them off, you don’t save much. In reality the majority of people on unemployment benefits are not cheating the system - a system that already sanctions the unemployed for not actively seeking work.
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Well good thing you know what your talking about. Otherwise I’d be inclined think you were a enormous twat.
You’d be surprised to find out that it’s way more than 15 people. I’ve personally known at least a dozen who immigrated to the UK just because of the welfare system and they’d abuse it by getting paid for sitting on their ass all day.
You absolutely do not.
I was an audiotypist for benefit fraud interviews for many years. My partner at the time worked in the BDC. I’m also a first generation immigrant. What I’m trying to say is that you absolutely are talking out your arse.
I can assure you that even if anyone immigrates to the UK, the road between stepping foot in the country and being able to claim benefits is long and complex.
Why would you even lie?
No, this is the Internet, no one would lie!
Are you even a DJ!?
Technically, not currently. But I have been.
OR HAVE I‽‽‽
Good use of the interrobang.
I don’t fuck about when it comes to the interrobang.
Is this an equilavant of stolen valour but for DJs?
In the same way that a former military Major will insist on being known by his rank, I will only answer to DJ Darren.
A lot of EU migrants have easy access to benefits. And people from Eastern Europe know how to live frugally (source: I’m one of them). Living on benefits in the UK is easy, benefits are bigger than average salaries in many Eastern European countries, housing is also covered, so you’re getting shit loads of money doing absolutely nothing. I know a person from my country, who migrated to the UK, got furloughed during the pandemic, then spent some time on UC while constantly travelling across Europe for fun, now she bought a flat in her home country and moved back. Buying a flat while living on benefits, isn’t that a dream?
The benefits system in the UK is ridiculous. It doesn’t help those in need, but allows a lot of people to defraud the system and milk it for cash.
Truly amazing. You’re doubling down.
Tell me ‘fellow migrant’, what length of time must you have been living in the UK, on what terms of immigration, and what stipulations must be fulfilled before a claim can be made (that will be processed and NOT automatically declined) by the Department for Work and Pensions.
If someone was furloughed, then they weren’t on UC. Also, I had to travel back to my home country during the pandemic because my mother died from covid and I’m an only child. I had been claiming UC at the time and my benefits were stopped while I was there because I left the country for more than 30 days.
The more you carry on with this lie, the more evident it is that you have zero idea what you’re talking about.
The only one lying here is you, mate. You didn’t even read my comment properly, there’s nothing to discuss here.
A stupendous attempt to save face.
I am completely open to debate your claims factually. However, it looks like the facts don’t support your little narrative. So it’s probably a good idea for you to throw in the towel now.
I mean I’ll happily have a debate about the merits of UBI in a world where we’re rushing towards mass unemployment, but that’s aside it’s a very very small segment of people on welfare who are “playing the system”.
It’s bullshit rhetoric designed to get people shouting down at the poorest in our society whilst the richest get away with stealing from us all.
UBI changes the game too though as you don’t lose if if you are working. Its always there so you don’t have to navigate a beurocratic process instead of being able to look for work.
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This may come as a shock…but the 15 wasn’t meant to be taken literally.
I know right.