I honestly don’t believe I will have any legal trouble because I don’t do anything like cp or worse, I just pirate media I like, not even porn. But across users of communities, or on public trackers, is IP exposure something to be concerned about?

  • Onno (VK6FLAB)@lemmy.radio
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    I just pirate media I like

    In other words, your computer is downloading stuff from other computers, that’s potentially receiving stolen property, but a potential argument might be that you didn’t know that it was stolen. It’s not a good argument, but it’s an argument. So you’re an individual who potentially broke the law. Depending on how much money you have, you might get a knock on your door.

    But then, you also distribute that potentially stolen property to other computers, because that’s how BitTorrent works, and now you’re part of a distribution network dealing with stolen property. The chances that once you’ve discovered you come away with just a slap on the wrist are slim to none.

    How do they find you?

    Through your IP address.

    How?

    By figuring out who owns that address, who loaned it to you to get online at that specific time. One packet at a time the research will bring them closer to knocking on your door.

    So, is it a big deal that your public IP address is linked to torrenting? Yes it is.

    Is this the whole story? Not by a long shot, but it’s not my job to teach you how to break the law.

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      but it’s not my job to teach you how to break the law.

      It sounds like it’s literally not against the law where this person lives. Like The Pirate Bay when it began, they responded to US lawyers sending them takedown requests by pointing out that US law didn’t apply to every country on the planet.

      That could change in the future, sure, but I think that this person probably has a better idea of whether that’s a possibility in their home country than we do.

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      Meh. I don’t know about OP but where I live ISPs are forced to relay the legal notice, but nothing more happens. There is no prosecution and nobody will knock on my door.

      I have been torrenting on and off since the protocol exists and never once hid my IP. My ISP relays me the threats from the industry, I ignore them, and continue what I was doing before. Same for everyone in my country. Those that end up paying for a VPN and hiding their IP are just intimidated onto doing so, because of the threats. But again, aside from getting that threatening email, nobody will knock on your door for torrenting here.

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          That’s excellent for their clients. I’m guessing it set a precedent and the industry stopped trying anything else.

          I didn’t follow the most recent developments here in Canada but AFAIK, a decade ago the industry tried to sue individuals that were “pirating”, and lost because they couldn’t proof that an IP could be associated with a single person, or something like that. Then the industry pretty much stopped trying to sue individuals from that point. They still send the threatening letters, but they don’t do anything else because past experiences with our courts didn’t go well for them.

          Of course, there is a very very slim chance that the industry will try to sue a few individuals to scare others and create a new precedent, but it’s going to be a civil suit because it’s not even criminal here.

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            it did, basically in Australia content owners are free to demand restitution for the actual loss suffered (ie the cost of a dvd) and if you ignore them, they are free to take you to small claims court over it, wearing the cost of doing so. so it essentially ended copy claims

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        Yeah i agree I torrent only occasionally and I haven’t ever received an ISP angry letter but that’s sounds right to me …

        The only thing I never understood is if I use a VPN my traffic is passed encrypted to a remote server somewhere else but from there on its unencrypted so the servers owner ISP should notify him about my inlecit traffic and it make sense he will notify me back so what’s the point in relocating an angry letter… ?