I think before we discuss this we we should get our definitions clear? Someone workings as freelance logo designer is different from someone working as an employed illustrator, is different from a “free” artist painting in their atelier etc. A website or UX/UI is different from a picture you hang on your wall; a movie poster might be somewhere in between and is still pop culture unless it’s idk some indie movie?
Sometimes “art” or broadly being-creative becomes a commodity which can be sold, too (my wording here is not exact but you get my point). Art courses, cross-stitching, sewing, like, hobby stuff. Modding games can be seen as a new kind of prosumer culture indutry, externalizing costs while reaping the benefits of a more valuable product, indirectly by creating a fanbase/ecosystem or directly by claiming rights on UGC. It’s also used to find new talent.
“Art” is just an umbrella term for different kinds of work, and different kinds of products. There’s different distribution channels, different degrees of independence and a range of ways on how it interacts with the market.
Metaphysical nonsense.
There’s a certain spark in human craft I won’t deny, but I agree that a Marxist, or generally a more “cold”, view on “art” is usually the way to go. Ultimately humans instruct their LLMs and Diffusion models to create slop, and they will do it and have always done it without them.
There’s no need to have a “cold” perspective to be marxist. Nothing human should be alien. Capital has countless references to nature.
The importance here is not to mystify here it to metaphysical nonsense. We should not resort to idealism of where human creativity comes from.
Art is clearly subjective and it is the relationship between the viewer and the art that defines it as art; whether it is exchanged for money or not.
However, what is effectively being requested here is to gatekeep who gets to make that art (only those skilled enough) and that art should be paid for; the defense of proprietorship. It is this that is reactionary while appealing to ludditism.
This reply is probably not directed at you but for anyone who is lurking.
I think before we discuss this we we should get our definitions clear? Someone workings as freelance logo designer is different from someone working as an employed illustrator, is different from a “free” artist painting in their atelier etc. A website or UX/UI is different from a picture you hang on your wall; a movie poster might be somewhere in between and is still pop culture unless it’s idk some indie movie?
Sometimes “art” or broadly being-creative becomes a commodity which can be sold, too (my wording here is not exact but you get my point). Art courses, cross-stitching, sewing, like, hobby stuff. Modding games can be seen as a new kind of prosumer culture indutry, externalizing costs while reaping the benefits of a more valuable product, indirectly by creating a fanbase/ecosystem or directly by claiming rights on UGC. It’s also used to find new talent.
“Art” is just an umbrella term for different kinds of work, and different kinds of products. There’s different distribution channels, different degrees of independence and a range of ways on how it interacts with the market.
There’s a certain spark in human craft I won’t deny, but I agree that a Marxist, or generally a more “cold”, view on “art” is usually the way to go. Ultimately humans instruct their LLMs and Diffusion models to create slop, and they will do it and have always done it without them.
Art≠Art
There’s no need to have a “cold” perspective to be marxist. Nothing human should be alien. Capital has countless references to nature.
The importance here is not to mystify here it to metaphysical nonsense. We should not resort to idealism of where human creativity comes from.
Art is clearly subjective and it is the relationship between the viewer and the art that defines it as art; whether it is exchanged for money or not.
However, what is effectively being requested here is to gatekeep who gets to make that art (only those skilled enough) and that art should be paid for; the defense of proprietorship. It is this that is reactionary while appealing to ludditism.
This reply is probably not directed at you but for anyone who is lurking.