• Gutek8134@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    I’d argue you can ‘see’ the wall if you place something on it, like:

    • your hand
    • your frontline’s hand (or some other body part)
    • a ghost’s hand
    • flour, dust, tar, enemies’ blood, coughing syrup, and other things that could stick to the surface
    • gecko, spider, and other creatures that wouldn’t fall off; probably also your familiar; dhampir and a high level monk should work, too
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        I’ve specifically focused on means that don’t require a spell slot to use. Left familiar as an exception because people like to have them anyway and it can be ritual cast.

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          Technically it only refers to visible creatures. Objects doesnt have the adjective visible.

          Unlikely, but a particularly bull headed person could read this as though detect magic could identify invisible objects.

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            That depends on interpretation of the sentence structure. It could mean “any visible [creatures and objects]” or “any [visible creatures] and objects”.

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            I’m kinda surprised how vague many of the DnD rules are written.

            Didn’t they have a rules lawyer at hand when writing these?

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        How about blind or very sight-impaired characters? Could they “see” the wall as they “see” everything, by touching/perceiving it? That’s as well as they can see anything.

        Is seeing the same as visualizing? Because the cloud’s shapes and height clearly give you an idea where a mass of air with certain common characteristics is, where it starts, and where it ends.

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          It would be kind of neat that you would have to learn to see what can’t be seen to destroy something like force wall, because that would mean the blind would actually be better casters.

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      I’d argue that RAW the wall is still invisible. You now just have the means to pinpoint it’s location.