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The White House on Tuesday condemned “death to America” chants that surfaced online from a recent rally in Dearborn, Mich., protesting Israel’s war in Gaza.
Press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre replied, “yes” when asked if President Biden condemns the comments in the chants, which were captured on video by some attendees.
“Peaceful protests are something that the president has also been very clear that, its important to give folks space to peacefully protest. But any type of violent rhetoric, we are going to denounce,” she said.
Dearborn mayor Abdullah Hammoud (D) has also denounced the chants, sharing in a statement on X that “Dearborn is a city of proud Americans.”
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Some basic questions to train your media literacy:
How many people, exactly, (or less ideally, roughly,) were doing this? (Article provides no answer.)
How often does this normally occur, esp. when it isn’t a trendy topic? (Article provides no answer.)
Any similar events to provide context, perhaps give us clues about what to expect? (Article provides no answer.)
Was this a critical mass, or majority, of those present? (Article provides no answer.)
If you ask basic, perfectly reasonable questions, and then read the article, and see that it answers nothing an interested individual is curious about, you get suspicious about what you’re reading. “Oh jeez, a thing happened, we have a thing, it involved people.” Very cool, very news.
There was an article a couple months ago about “people” shouting death threats at Jewish people. It ended up being one dude.
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Also, do you extend this level of courtesy to events that make your political opposition look bad? It’s easy to find the energy and motivation when defending your team, but it rarely goes the other way.
Yeah it gets much easier after lots of practice. But it’s not 100%, which would be ideal.
It’s somewhat frequent in Dearborn, at least once every time Israel/Palestine heats up. Pretty sure it happened at least once at a Talib rally.
At this point one should consider it could done by provocateurs.
COINTELPRO never stopped
That’s too extreme. “Seasonal allergies to America!” would be a more effective message that can attract moderate suburban voters.
Step in a puddle with socks to America!
Stub Your Toe! Stub Your Toe!
Pee your pants! Pee your pants!
Yeah, no kidding it should be condemned.
Passionate privileged youngsters have been known to do some very stupid things. I’d rather put it down to that than make a big deal out of it. They did apologize. Detroit Free Press https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/wayne/2024/04/11/rally-organizers-say-death-to-america-chants-mistake/73285383007/
Imagine living on a planet that’s being cooked alive, a random executive in a board room can fire you for no reason, you’re one missed paycheck away from being homeless, which itself is increasingly being criminalized, you’ll never be able to own a house or pay off the loans society told you you had to take out when you were 18, you’re one bad doctor’s appointment from bankruptcy, your tax dollars are going to fund a genocide in Gaza, and the only socially acceptable option to contest any of it is voting once every few years.
How can you not actively support destroying the fundamentally illegitimate system that defines America?
Yeah …I hate to break it to you: these guys chanting death to America aren’t on your side
Soratoyuki, after America has been overthrown: “we did it, comrades!”
Religious zealots who took power: “send him to the camps too”.
Because chants of death to America isn’t about destroying the system. It’s about killing the people. How you don’t get the difference is odd.
Not this again. This is based on the original Persian, which is a mistranslated figure of speech. In Persian language it means down with America, it’s not talking about actual deaths. In Persian, they even say death to potatoes.
One constructs a message for the recipient.
If you say “death to America”, to Americans, in America, knowing full fucking well that it will be interpreted as “death to America”, then I hate to break it to you, you ARE saying “death to America”.
Only if done in the recipient’s language.
When Bush said there should be a crusade against terrorism, it’s not his fault if the Arabic speaking media used the word for the historic Crusades.
And as for the chanting in Dearborn, it was one nut job chanting and everyone from the mayor to president Biden condemned it.
Only if done in the recipient’s language.
No. If I know full well how my message will be received, it’s irrelevant. Language is a construct for communication, it isn’t intrinsically the transference of ideas. If I blabber or gesticulate anything knowing that it will be received to mean X, then I have knowingly and intentionally communicated X.
When Bush said there should be a crusade against terrorism
It ABSOLUTELY was the fault of his administration: when you’re communicating to a global audience, which he was doing, you pay a TON of people to avoid making exactly this kind of error.
And while I agree that ignorance when individuals make this mistake is understandable, as soon as it’s been pointed out… If you keep doing it, it’s no longer a mistake, it’s intentional.
it was one nut job
That’s fair. I’m not implying it isn’t.
All I’m saying it’s childish to say something that you know will be interpreted. It’d be like me saying the argument was “retarded”, and then if saying “As someone who is bilingual, I was using the french word”.
If you think they’re literally calling to kill over 300 million people, I have great news about potential crypto and NFT investments for you.
It’s almost like the mainstream media deliberately doesn’t give a voice to people outside of a very narrow (and shrinking) Overton window.
Edit: honestly having trouble imagining how absolutely stupid someone has to be to downvote this lol. Guess I need to make a cryptocurrency lol.
This is the same thinking that people saying that if the roles were reversed between Palestinians and Israel, that Palestine wouldn’t wipe out Israel… religious hate, especially Islam, knows no peace.
Especially? Come on. There’s 2 billion Muslims out there and Muslim majority countries have a lower murder rate than non-Muslim majority countries. Get out of here with your bigoted stereotypes.
Yes, I forgot how the majority Muslim nations, don’t rape their women, have honor killings for their women, murder anyone who is LGBTQ+ and enjoy stoning people still.
I mean hell I remember when I was in the EU the last time and they had a stoning…o wait…
Christian-majority countries don’t rape? Oh honey, you have a lot to learn about the world.
Jamaica and Uganda have the worst murder rates of LGBT in the world, what religion are most Jamaicans?
You’re overgeneralizing billions of people with false stereotypes. Majority of the world’s 2 BIllion Muslims live in democracies. Most of those democracies have elected women as presidents and prime ministers, has America yet? Stop insisting your stereotypes are real and actually go and see the world and check. You’ll find out you’re wrong.
They’re not raping people for a religious reason. I don’t know how you’re not getting that.
I’ve been to most of the world, Islam is the most violent religion in the modern world. Stop acting like it’s not.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
The White House on Tuesday condemned “death to America” chants that surfaced online from a recent rally in Dearborn, Mich., protesting Israel’s war in Gaza.
Press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre replied, “yes” when asked if President Biden condemns the comments in the chants, which were captured on video by some attendees.
The chants, which also included “Death to Israel,” took place at a rally on Friday to mark the International Day of Al-Quds, according to The Detroit News.
Fox2 reported that the chants came from members of the audience at the rally.
Dearborn, a Detroit suburb where Arab Americans make up the majority of the population, was under increased security in February after an op-ed in The Wall Street Journal called the city “America’s jihad capital.” Biden called out the “anti-Arab hate” against Dearborn at the time.
When questioned by Fox News’ Jacqui Heinrich about whether Biden is concerned if Dearborn faces a risk of becoming a hot bed for homegrown threats, Jean-Pierre reiterated that the White House denounces violence.
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This article seems dubious at best, but I always have to laugh when the White House condemns any form of protest. They only condone protests that don’t help the cause they’re protesting for and don’t scare the people in power. Why even bother asking if the people who are being protested at condemn the protest? It’s ridiculous.
Of course they are. Even the idea that somebody might be one step closer to calling for a guillotine for the ruling elite is a threat that needs to be watched with all of the money not otherwise blowing up foreign countries. The crackdowns come next.
Putting aside that this is clearly pearl clutching [over a chant made by a handful of people] to distract from the fact that the US government fully supports genocide, let’s think about this for a minute. Would it be controversial to say “Death to Nazi Germany”? Surely such a horrendous institution should be killed off, right? The argument could be made that the US government, with all the horrible things it has done (slavery, wars, coups, the main driver of climate change, pollution, genocide, etc), does deserve death. That doesn’t mean death to the people of the US (or even the people in the US government), it means death to the institution known as America that is carrying out such horrendous things.
“Death to America” absolutely means killing US Citizens. This is the the chant at every anti-American rally in Iran, and something ISIS has been chanting for a very long time.
Who cares.
I’m too lazy to go find my old comment but it was basically
Biden is just gonna go hide in the Ford plant when he comes for his Michigan rally otherwise Dearborn will eat him alive
Death to America.
While living in America.
No one’s keeping you here.
No one’s keeping you here.
It’s actually very difficult and expensive to leave your home country for 99% of the population.
Just in terms of cost you need a plane ticket (or other travel costs), money to navigate the country’s immigration programs and all the fees associated, you probably need to pay to learn a new language for a year or two before you’re fluent enough in that language (DuoLingo/self-learning has very mixed results), you need to pay for housing for when you arrive until you’re able to get a job. Realistically the ones fed up with our society are the ones living paycheck to paycheck, do you think they can shoulder those costs?
This is all assuming they even let you in, most developed countries won’t unless you have an in-demand skillset and/or a job already lined up in the country of question (i.e., the type of jobs that are doing well here already). And often times even if you have valid reasons and a job lined up they can still just tell you to go fuck yourself.
Add on top of that that if you somehow get that far, get past all of that, you’re giving away your right to vote in your new society for several years due to requirements to become a naturalized citizen.
Makes a lot more sense to try to improve your own country and local society when you consider all of those factors. “Don’t like America then leave” is something only the privileged that can hop on a jet to a new country at a moment’s notice think is a valid suggestion. At best it’s shit advice and at worst it’s a bad faith argument to push aside any and all criticism of the current system.
What you could do is vote for shit policies in your home country in order to make most people completely fed up with their government to overthrow it. While at the same time, storing your value outside of your nation’s currency so that when the currency hyperinflates, you can very easily pay your mortgage with the shit currency and you can still buy your food and everything with the value you’ve stored elsewhere (like gold). As an example, if you live here in the United States, taking out a mortgage that you can currently afford is basically shorting the US dollar. And if the US dollar hyperinflates, it becomes super easy for you to pay your mortgage and becomes crap to the bank that issued the mortgage. But you keep the house.
It’s quite affordable to emigrate as a natural citizen. Canada’s actual fees are about 200-800 USD for PR status, that may jump by about 600 extra if you want to come in on a working visa. There’s also.the relocation cost - I think moving any distance usually costs about two thousand dollars between gas, deposits and maybe a night in a hotel.
Let’s call it three thousand to move to Canada. That’s not nothing but it’s an amount of money most people can secure debt to cover.
Actually stopping being an American is even more expensive. It costs thousands of dollars to revoke your US citizenship, surprisingly enough. Only America demands everyone pay a fee to leave.
Don’t forget about the settlement funds most people need to have.
Death to America
Death to Smoochy
Death to America
