You don’t need every tiny detail to be right. But if you’re just doing whatever the hell you want, changing literally everything, and most importantly, changing a thoughtful and positive show with great characters and stories into a simple CGI driven pre pew show with a bunch of anti social ashhats as your main cast… Then don’t call it star trek. Then make your own show, call it what you want.
Don’t take existing characters and strip them of everything that made them great and then whine about toxic fandom if fans call you out.
I’m not on Reddit, I don’t know how the fandom is, but on Reddit I’d say “now queue the down votes and bans” because new trek fans there apparently don’t like people who remember what star trek was.
That’s not really about canon though. That’s more the broader feel of the shows and character development. Picking over canon is picking over “facts” which were established in previous episodes.
I think the show runners have largely realised the mistakes of the early seasons of DISCO which is why LD, SNW and Prodigy have been received much better; they simply feel more right.
I’m not on Reddit, I don’t know how the fandom is, but on Reddit I’d say “now queue the down votes and bans” because new trek fans there apparently don’t like people who remember what star trek was.
I thought it was appropriate to the tag at the end of your little gatekeeping rant.
As someone who’s been watching Trek since before TNG, I’ve seen arguments like yours applied to nearly every new iteration of the franchise from TNG to the modern day.
Not the guy you’re responding to, but Discovery and Picard are awful entirely on their own merits; so bad, in fact, that it took me four years to recover enough to try Strange New Worlds, which was great by the way. Lower Decks and Prodigy aren’t really for me, but I’ve caught enough of them to know they’re quality entertainment, too.
I think he was using hyperbole but I understand his point of view. You watch a show, you don’t like it, you don’t watch it again. Every now and then you browse for something, see it and think “I remember I don’t like it.”
Four years later you forget you how much you didn’t like it and go, “Meh, there’s nothing else on.”
I was that way with Hyperdrive, the BBC comedy scifi from 2006. I watched an episode 10 years ago and didn’t get even to the end of the first episode. Tried it again a few months ago and kind of liked it. It wasn’t great, but had several good episodes.
It wasn’t like hating Hyperdrive took up any part of my thoughts at all over the past 10 years.
Besides, even if it was part of the OP’s thoughts, how is fandom love of a fictional television show different than fandom hate?
Then how come you can’t see the difference between tos to TNG, and classic trek vs the new crap? I say crap, because that’s what it is. Discovery was beyond godawful, horrible characters… ST Picard destroyed nearly all love I had for trek, I haven’t watched anything for over a year now, first the first time in my life.
Look at the Orville, THAT is TNG in a modern jacket, done by someone who knows and loves trek. The nu drek was done by people who don’t give a damn about star trek and it shows.
Look at the Orville, THAT is TNG in a modern jacket, done by someone who knows and loves trek.
Yeah man, the show where they solved a galactic conflict by giving the leaders of both civilizations date rape pheromones so they’d fuck one another is definitely the torchbearer for TNG and DS9.
Yes.
And no.
You don’t need every tiny detail to be right. But if you’re just doing whatever the hell you want, changing literally everything, and most importantly, changing a thoughtful and positive show with great characters and stories into a simple CGI driven pre pew show with a bunch of anti social ashhats as your main cast… Then don’t call it star trek. Then make your own show, call it what you want.
Don’t take existing characters and strip them of everything that made them great and then whine about toxic fandom if fans call you out.
I’m not on Reddit, I don’t know how the fandom is, but on Reddit I’d say “now queue the down votes and bans” because new trek fans there apparently don’t like people who remember what star trek was.
That’s not really about canon though. That’s more the broader feel of the shows and character development. Picking over canon is picking over “facts” which were established in previous episodes.
I think the show runners have largely realised the mistakes of the early seasons of DISCO which is why LD, SNW and Prodigy have been received much better; they simply feel more right.
Yes, thanks for the illustration
No thanks, too distracted, lost instruction
I thought it was appropriate to the tag at the end of your little gatekeeping rant.
As someone who’s been watching Trek since before TNG, I’ve seen arguments like yours applied to nearly every new iteration of the franchise from TNG to the modern day.
Not the guy you’re responding to, but Discovery and Picard are awful entirely on their own merits; so bad, in fact, that it took me four years to recover enough to try Strange New Worlds, which was great by the way. Lower Decks and Prodigy aren’t really for me, but I’ve caught enough of them to know they’re quality entertainment, too.
As time has gone on I’ve come to the conclusion Discovery started as the pilot of another show they stretched a Star Trek skin onto
It took you, in your own words, four years to recover?
Well adjusted nerds when there’s a tv show they don’t like:
Personally I also really disliked PIC, but I simply choose to be normal and move on with my life.
When you get older 4 years is nothing. There’s a lot of other things to do. Disco started 8 years ago!
Personally, I find as I get older my concerns aren’t quite so petty.
Anyone upset about a television show they didn’t like for four days should seriously assess what is actually going on in their lives.
I think he was using hyperbole but I understand his point of view. You watch a show, you don’t like it, you don’t watch it again. Every now and then you browse for something, see it and think “I remember I don’t like it.”
Four years later you forget you how much you didn’t like it and go, “Meh, there’s nothing else on.”
I was that way with Hyperdrive, the BBC comedy scifi from 2006. I watched an episode 10 years ago and didn’t get even to the end of the first episode. Tried it again a few months ago and kind of liked it. It wasn’t great, but had several good episodes.
It wasn’t like hating Hyperdrive took up any part of my thoughts at all over the past 10 years.
Besides, even if it was part of the OP’s thoughts, how is fandom love of a fictional television show different than fandom hate?
Then how come you can’t see the difference between tos to TNG, and classic trek vs the new crap? I say crap, because that’s what it is. Discovery was beyond godawful, horrible characters… ST Picard destroyed nearly all love I had for trek, I haven’t watched anything for over a year now, first the first time in my life.
Look at the Orville, THAT is TNG in a modern jacket, done by someone who knows and loves trek. The nu drek was done by people who don’t give a damn about star trek and it shows.
Yeah man, the show where they solved a galactic conflict by giving the leaders of both civilizations date rape pheromones so they’d fuck one another is definitely the torchbearer for TNG and DS9.
I watched Orville, which episode was that?