Paris mayor Anne Hidalgo said on Saturday Russian and Belarusian athletes "were not welcome" at the Olympics being staged in the French capital this year.
Let’s say we have a basket of apples. The world’s most powerful apples. And they all look rotten and diseased, we know the reasons which make them rotten, it’s peer reviewed and considered a fact.
So then we make a leap of faith. What if despite evvvvvvveeeerrrything, this one apple is actually pure and holy. And only a few know this for sure and they’re not letting anyone else know the proof.
That’s very wonderful but, kinda sketchy at the same time?
The general population doesn’t know what’s happening, and it doesn’t even know that it doesn’t know. — Noam Chomsky
Most people don’t know they’re being propagandized in the first place, so it doesn’t occur to them to see past it. And of those who do notice, most don’t have the time, energy, skill set, and inclination to dig out the truth. It’s not impossible, but it is a lot of work. The information is accessible, but corporate media generally aren’t going to provide it.
It’s not a metaphor relating to those. You can substitute the apple for anything you like, the fruit is not a relevant object. It just carries similar properties. They can be called ‘Notexistilandia’, ‘United Territories of Nowhereon’ or ‘Countrystan’. Whatever helps.
You’re very close with Chomsky and people not knowing!
What I mean is that the mystical prophecies of one true holy and pure — despite the evidence, like we’ve discussed, rely much on faith, instead of (and sometimes contrary) to knowledge. And general populations “knowledge”, fooled, propagandized is just that — much closer to faith.
More Chomsky:
I think irrational belief is a dangerous phenomenon, and I try to consciously avoid irrational belief. On the other hand, I certainly recognize that it’s a major phenomenon for people in general, and you can understand why it would be. It does, apparently, provide personal sustenance, but also bonds of association and solidarity and a means for expressing elements of one’s personality that are often very valuable elements. To many people it does that. In my view, there’s nothing wrong with that. My view could be wrong, of course, but my position is that we should not succumb to irrational belief.
Idealistic nationalist supremacy is just a form of religion.
Modded as misinfo, worth to check the modlog… There were no links to any fake news sites nor information commented, just a realization that apparently all reports of even different cases can’t possibly have any truth to them.
Trump’s lawsuits could be an allegory. There’s so many of them and similarly all of them have to be fake I guess. No fire where there’s smoke
Really making it obvious here that when liberals say “misinformation” they don’t mean “false information” they mean “using sources I don’t like”. Your post contained misinformation; it’s got nothing to do with “links” or “fake news sites”
There’s so many of them and similarly all of them have to be fake I guess. No fire where there’s smoke
This is literally the argument that neonazis make to justify their antisemitism: “the Jews have been accused of so many bad things! Surely they can’t all be fake”.
Turns out it’s actually extremely easy to fire hose bad faith accusations at your enemies.
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Oh, it’s gish gallop time? I’ve seen better: https://lemmy.ml/comment/9325173
Very convenient. Maybe you’re a chosen one and nobody else can’t figure out that light flows in aether. Thanks!
I know you’re in no position to call it a firehose of falsehood, because I knew you were never actually going to read any of it.
But if you want to understand how the Five Eyes governments and corporate media propaganda work, I’ve got a firehose of facts for that as well. The inner workings of corporate media were explained about forty years ago in Inventing Reality and Manufacturing Consent.
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You misunderstood. I’m taking your word as is.
Government propaganda is good to realize!
Let’s say we have a basket of apples. The world’s most powerful apples. And they all look rotten and diseased, we know the reasons which make them rotten, it’s peer reviewed and considered a fact.
So then we make a leap of faith. What if despite evvvvvvveeeerrrything, this one apple is actually pure and holy. And only a few know this for sure and they’re not letting anyone else know the proof.
That’s very wonderful but, kinda sketchy at the same time?
The metaphor you’re constructing seems to be one part forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge and one part bad apples, and I don’t quite follow.
The general population doesn’t know what’s happening, and it doesn’t even know that it doesn’t know. — Noam Chomsky
Most people don’t know they’re being propagandized in the first place, so it doesn’t occur to them to see past it. And of those who do notice, most don’t have the time, energy, skill set, and inclination to dig out the truth. It’s not impossible, but it is a lot of work. The information is accessible, but corporate media generally aren’t going to provide it.
It’s not a metaphor relating to those. You can substitute the apple for anything you like, the fruit is not a relevant object. It just carries similar properties. They can be called ‘Notexistilandia’, ‘United Territories of Nowhereon’ or ‘Countrystan’. Whatever helps.
You’re very close with Chomsky and people not knowing!
What I mean is that the mystical prophecies of one true holy and pure — despite the evidence, like we’ve discussed, rely much on faith, instead of (and sometimes contrary) to knowledge. And general populations “knowledge”, fooled, propagandized is just that — much closer to faith.
More Chomsky:
Idealistic nationalist supremacy is just a form of religion.
Maybe I see what you’re getting at, though I’m not entirely sure. American exceptionalism is a civil religion that conveniently supports bourgeois Americans and their imperialist interests.
Yea muricans are always a good example of the lot. Thanks for discussing and taking part in the philosophical pondering, it’s not usual here!
Take your pick, it probably applies.
Modded as misinfo, worth to check the modlog… There were no links to any fake news sites nor information commented, just a realization that apparently all reports of even different cases can’t possibly have any truth to them.
Trump’s lawsuits could be an allegory. There’s so many of them and similarly all of them have to be fake I guess. No fire where there’s smoke
Really making it obvious here that when liberals say “misinformation” they don’t mean “false information” they mean “using sources I don’t like”. Your post contained misinformation; it’s got nothing to do with “links” or “fake news sites”
This is literally the argument that neonazis make to justify their antisemitism: “the Jews have been accused of so many bad things! Surely they can’t all be fake”.
Turns out it’s actually extremely easy to fire hose bad faith accusations at your enemies.
I’m sorry you see me as an enemy and act reactively. I see we the people as one and am not related to the image you need to attack.
Edit: and after all the compassion that horrible projection of a reply is what we see
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