The history is not relevant to any current peace plan. Besides, if you dig deep enough, the inhabitants if the earliest recorded history were Judaic and spoke Hebrew.
The history will always be relevant for a peace plan. You cannot leave out 75 years of oppression, apartheid, murdering, racism, illegal settlements, unfair laws, unfair prison time and hate.
Do you have any trustable sources for your particular claim? It’s widely known that Palestinians and the Jewish people lived among each other in peace back in the day. Not only that, the Palestinian people openly accepted the Jewish people to live with them due to WW2 – This is widely known as well.
Why do you give a complete pass for Hamas’s strategy of intentional war crimes and terrorism?
If that’s all you managed to understand from what has been written by me then, I’m not sure whether it is worth it to discuss further. But for the sake of it, I will respond to this.
So first and foremost, I do not give a pass to Hamas for their crimes and terrorism. I condemn both Hamas and Israel for murdering innocent civilians.
However once again, my point, Hamas is a literal creation of Israel crimes from 1948 up to 1987.
I mean what do you expect the Palestinians who decided to join Hamas to do?
Do realize the people who joined Hamas lost everything they ever cared for because of Israel actions.
They lost their land, homes, family, friends and freedom. You can expect at some point that people will do something back.
If Israel never stole the land in 1948, displaced 750 000 people, murdered many and everything else that I have said before. Hamas would not have existed and they would not have done what they have done.
My question to you; Why is it ‘’strategy of intentional war crimes and terrorism’’ when Hamas does it but when Israel, an actual (illegal) state displaces 750 000 people, murder many people (men, women and children), laying sieges, bombarding villages and population centers, setting fires to homes, properties and goods. Planting mines among the rubble to prevent any of the expelled people from returning (ethnic cleansing) and currently doing genocide – Why is this (suddenly) not terrorism and war crimes?
I have not once seen from you in your current comment to me about Israel horrifying actions.
You really can’t tell the difference between a country with a Democratic government that actually punishes war crimes, and an ungovernable hellhole ruled by criminals who reward war crimes?
I’m sorry but Israel is democratic? No. They are not in reality.
Yes, on paper they are democratic but in reality they definitely are not.
Israel does not have a true democracy. They have unfair laws and rules against Palestinian people.
They have two separate laws, one for Israeli’s and one for Palestinian people.
The Palestinian people can and are usually sent to prison based on nothing (there’s many evidence of it, so I’d say search for it).
Israel does not punish war crimes, they commit them! – Israel became an actual state by doing war crimes.
They only ‘’punish war crimes’’ when it is against them and not in favor of the Likud party.
If everything that has been happening from 1948 up to today (2024) and you do not see that as actual terrorism, hell-ruled by criminals who reward war crimes (as you call it) then I do not understand you.
Not only that, majority of the Israeli people want their Prime Minister gone but he refuses to:
‘’A poll published in January found that only 15 percent of Israelis wanted him to remain in office after the war. And, in another recent poll, by Israel’s Channel 13, most Israelis said they did not trust Mr. Netanyahu’s handling of the war. Support for his right-wing Likud party has likewise cratered. And yet, Mr. Netanyahu remains in power, largely unchallenged.’’
Hamas is just pan-Islamism with a twist of Palestinian nationalism. It’s nothing new. Israel didn’t create pan-Islamism, which dates to the Ottoman empire, which oppressed the shit out of Jews. It’s distinct from ISIS, Islamic Jihad, and the Iranian Immamate solely in terms of who they believe should be in charge, and where the new caliphate should be seated, after they finish genociding all the Jews and Christians in the middle east.
Political science defines Israel as a democracy because it is one. Same as America, it’s considered a “flawed democracy.”
Go to your pals in Gaza and say something nice about democracy. See if you don’t get stoned to death for being an infidel. Nobody will miss them once they are gone except maybe a few extremists in Gaza who have Stockholm Syndrome.
You seem to not have actual knowledge on how Hamas formed and their reasoning.
You dismiss every reason of Hamas existence and just victimize Israel and blame Hamas (probably because you might not have knowledge, I will give you the edge on that).
Since you do not give any sources of your claims, dismiss Palestinian lives, dismiss Hamas reasons of existing and victimize Israel when there’s clear evidence that Israel has been commiting crimes for 7 decades. I won’t comment to you any further. It seems to be a waste of time, energy and effort.
The history will always be relevant for a peace plan. You cannot leave out 75 years of oppression, apartheid, murdering, racism, illegal settlements, unfair laws, unfair prison time and hate.
Do you have any trustable sources for your particular claim? It’s widely known that Palestinians and the Jewish people lived among each other in peace back in the day. Not only that, the Palestinian people openly accepted the Jewish people to live with them due to WW2 – This is widely known as well.
If that’s all you managed to understand from what has been written by me then, I’m not sure whether it is worth it to discuss further. But for the sake of it, I will respond to this. So first and foremost, I do not give a pass to Hamas for their crimes and terrorism. I condemn both Hamas and Israel for murdering innocent civilians.
However once again, my point, Hamas is a literal creation of Israel crimes from 1948 up to 1987. I mean what do you expect the Palestinians who decided to join Hamas to do?
Do realize the people who joined Hamas lost everything they ever cared for because of Israel actions. They lost their land, homes, family, friends and freedom. You can expect at some point that people will do something back.
If Israel never stole the land in 1948, displaced 750 000 people, murdered many and everything else that I have said before. Hamas would not have existed and they would not have done what they have done.
My question to you; Why is it ‘’strategy of intentional war crimes and terrorism’’ when Hamas does it but when Israel, an actual (illegal) state displaces 750 000 people, murder many people (men, women and children), laying sieges, bombarding villages and population centers, setting fires to homes, properties and goods. Planting mines among the rubble to prevent any of the expelled people from returning (ethnic cleansing) and currently doing genocide – Why is this (suddenly) not terrorism and war crimes?
I have not once seen from you in your current comment to me about Israel horrifying actions.
I’m sorry but Israel is democratic? No. They are not in reality.
Yes, on paper they are democratic but in reality they definitely are not. Israel does not have a true democracy. They have unfair laws and rules against Palestinian people. They have two separate laws, one for Israeli’s and one for Palestinian people. The Palestinian people can and are usually sent to prison based on nothing (there’s many evidence of it, so I’d say search for it).
Israel does not punish war crimes, they commit them! – Israel became an actual state by doing war crimes.
They only ‘’punish war crimes’’ when it is against them and not in favor of the Likud party.
If everything that has been happening from 1948 up to today (2024) and you do not see that as actual terrorism, hell-ruled by criminals who reward war crimes (as you call it) then I do not understand you.
Not only that, majority of the Israeli people want their Prime Minister gone but he refuses to:
‘’A poll published in January found that only 15 percent of Israelis wanted him to remain in office after the war. And, in another recent poll, by Israel’s Channel 13, most Israelis said they did not trust Mr. Netanyahu’s handling of the war. Support for his right-wing Likud party has likewise cratered. And yet, Mr. Netanyahu remains in power, largely unchallenged.’’
Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/02/opinion/netanyahu-protests-legacy-war.html
EDIT/ Note: Since you made it a bit more personal, I’ll say this:
I, personally, blame Israel for creating such a horror in the world that a group like Hamas was created.
EDIT 2: I would also like you to read this regard Israel’s so called ‘‘democracy’’:
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/30/israel-hasnt-been-a-democracy-for-a-long-time-now-israelis-need-to-face-this-fact
Hamas is just pan-Islamism with a twist of Palestinian nationalism. It’s nothing new. Israel didn’t create pan-Islamism, which dates to the Ottoman empire, which oppressed the shit out of Jews. It’s distinct from ISIS, Islamic Jihad, and the Iranian Immamate solely in terms of who they believe should be in charge, and where the new caliphate should be seated, after they finish genociding all the Jews and Christians in the middle east.
Political science defines Israel as a democracy because it is one. Same as America, it’s considered a “flawed democracy.”
Go to your pals in Gaza and say something nice about democracy. See if you don’t get stoned to death for being an infidel. Nobody will miss them once they are gone except maybe a few extremists in Gaza who have Stockholm Syndrome.
So what I get from you is:
Since you do not give any sources of your claims, dismiss Palestinian lives, dismiss Hamas reasons of existing and victimize Israel when there’s clear evidence that Israel has been commiting crimes for 7 decades. I won’t comment to you any further. It seems to be a waste of time, energy and effort.
That’s correct, I generally don’t include links to things that are well known facts and easily verifiable in three seconds of Googling.