• janonymous@lemmy.world
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    Sorry to say that the fast majority of German Nazis did not only get off without any form of repercussions after 1945, they often even kept their jobs in government. The Nürnberg and subsequent trials only covered the high profile cases, that had not successfully fled. For the Nürnberg trials that were 22 people, while the subsequent trials only found 2,500 of 100,000 arrested Germans guilty of war crimes. Of those only 177 were tried, 142 were convinced and 25 were sentenced to death. These numbers also exclude the 1,600 German scientists, engineers and technicians that the US government took with project paperclip.

    And it wasn’t for a lack of documents.

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    You can evade justice if your Reich lasts long enough.

    It’s sad when old corrupt criminals just outlive any repercussions, and the systems that shields them becomes the norm.

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      Let’s see how long this one lasts against one of the most well armed civilian populations in history, who have been fed a steady diet of the Right to Bear Arms, and Stand Your Ground.

      The regime will be fucked the first time their ICE agents try to scoop a Don’t Tread on Me type in the middle of the night, and get a bullet salad for their troubles.

      By now, even the most fervent supporters can see that if one of them gets scooped by mistake, there is zero mechanism to correct it, and they’re as good as dead.

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        The regime will be fucked the first time their ICE agents try to scoop a Don’t Tread on Me type in the middle of the night, and get a bullet salad for their troubles.

        “Fucked” how? You think they’ll give a shit? MAGA people will just say the person deserved it, or was a secret liberal or some bullshit to justify it.

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          You’re not grasping what I’m saying.

          The regime is ruthless, but clumsy and stupid. They will attempt to kidnap the wrong person it’ll be a staunch MAGA acolyte or someone they care about, and they’re gonna Stand. Their. Ground.

          You’re probably going to say that that won’t happen, on account of the populace being docile and pacified by job stability and low grocery prices.

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            Police shoot Americans every day and they put up with it. I’m not expecting them to rise up any time soon. The revolt was voting for Trump to burn it down lol

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        More violence is coming to USA, that seems a given, but daily shootouts just means more resources to the “militia” the gov uses/chooses to use. And that can get normalised. And the percentage of gun-owners killed vs ICE agents killed acceptable (basically nobody can reasonably fight off an armed force on their own, it’s logistics, not a shonen match). Good TV news tho.

        There is no deterrent in ICE getting shot on the job (that doesn’t affect Washington at all), the deterrent would be gun owners grouping together & taking on the gov as a force.

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          (basically nobody can reasonably fight off an armed force on their own, it’s logistics, not a shonen match).

          To be fair, the only wars that the US has arguably lost, has been against irregular insurgencies.

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            Lol, that’s is basically true-ish, but the counties, cultures, and infrastructure still got oblivioned … also the conflicts ran for so long … also2 domestically it would still count as a war & the president needs wartime excuses anyway.

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              Oh, it would be devastating… But if Ho Chi Minh could do it, I think a nation with ~1.2 firearms per person could end up on top…

              Also, the military are still US citizens and many would refuse to turn their weapons on fellow citizens.

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                Where would the fighting take place?

                Private homes? City blocks?
                You can just torch those.

                And can these people leave their homes/jobs without starving (and no foreign aid)?

                ICE and the police are also citizens and don’t seem to have much problem with it.

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                  You’re right. The Vietcong were an anomaly…

                  So were the Taliban in Fallujah I guess?

                  And there’s a difference between a handful (by comparison) of ICE fuck heads doing what they’re doing, and the US military following orders to drive tanks down city streets and slaughtering (often white!) citizens.

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    They did it during Black Lives Matter. Would cover their faces, remove their badges, and use rental cars to pull people off the street and disappear them. It’s happening now with ICE.

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    How so? Masked men grabbed Rumeysa Ozturk off the street, caught on camera and even questioned by passers by. I haven’t seen their identites released, and I don’t see how it will happen unless the federal government wants it to happen.

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      The video of Rumeysa being disappeared is so chilling. The passers by asking why they are covering their faces. They say they are police, but they are not wearing uniforms. It’s hard to hear in the video for me, but they’re just wrangling her like an animal. Taking her bag off of her back while she is terrified and turning in circles. Where is due process for anything? (This question is rhetorical. Sad that constitutional enforcement is a rhetorical point now.)

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      You’re speaking of the now.

      I’m speaking about after this regime falls, and it’s time to to account for the crimes against humanity.

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        That’s so bold of you to assume they’re making the high school bullies do their own paperwork.

        We couldn’t even get them to fill out a single page card for the national crime database.