I dropped her off this morning and saw girls (and boys) wearing grass skirts, some of them with coconut bras too. I’m not sure what else is going on, but it doesn’t seem very respectful of a native culture that we have seriously fucked over. Would they have a “Native American Day” and let kids come in wearing feathered headdresses?

Or am I reading too much into it?

  • JasSmith
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    129 months ago

    You’re thinking way too much into it. We should be celebrating each other’s cultures, not racially gating them. It’s not offensive or racist when non-whites/Germans wear lederhosen at Oktoberfest. It’s not racist when black people drink wine. Humans have shared cultures, food, and clothing for millennia. It’s a good thing.

    • Adlach
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      29 months ago

      But this isn’t celebrating Hawaiian culture because coconut bras and grass skirts are not Hawaiian culture, lol

      • JasSmith
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        29 months ago

        Then how could this possibly be interpreted as disrespectful of Hawaiian culture?

        • Adlach
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          09 months ago

          Are you asking how engaging in stereotype is disrespectful?

          • JasSmith
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            If it has nothing to do with Hawaiian culture then it’s not a stereotype. Were you mistaken about it not being associated with Hawaiian culture?

              • JasSmith
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                09 months ago

                A widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing.

                • Adlach
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                  19 months ago

                  For example, coconut bras and grass skirts?

                  • @OceanSoap@lemmy.ml
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                    You’re missing the point. You can’t both claim that grass skirts and coconut bras have nothing to do with Hawaiian culture, then immediately say its offensive to Hawaiian culture, because if they had nothing to do with Hawaiian culture, how can it be offensive to them?

                    You’re statement that it has nothing to do with Hawaiian culture was the issue here.

                  • JasSmith
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                    … because they’re associated with Hawaiian culture?

    • PugJesus
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      I would agree in general, except that with many, particularly older cultural perceptions of non-European peoples, there’s a great deal of fetishization (meaning primarily in the non-sexual sense) and belittlement inherent in the depictions, so one must be careful with such things.

      • @lps2@lemmy.ml
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        I feel “protecting” them by walking on eggshells around things related to their culture is just a continuation of that fetishization(sp?) when we should all just be sharing and celebrating one another’s culture. Obviously don’t mock, but anything that is good natured as this event seems to be is exactly what humans should be doing

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          I agree that we should share and celebrate each other’s cultures, and I’m generally opposed to the idea of ‘cultural appropriation’ being a bad thing. However, in taking aspects of another culture, one must be aware (or at least, one’s society must be concerned when spreading the style) of the deeper implications that may come with it.

          Wearing the everyday/dress (or traditionally everyday/dress) clothes of another culture in a way that’s just meant to be, well, fashion? Fuck anyone who says that’s wrong. Wearing the ceremonial articles of another culture in a way that’s meant to be fashion? Somewhat dicey, somewhat concerning, though I would argue that it doesn’t inherently have to be bad - but one must definitely understand the context of it. Wearing the national dress of a culture in a way that’s meant to be amusing or humorous? Eggshells are warranted.

          If there is significant inequality, it can very much come across as dismissive or punching down, which is pretty unambiguously bad. Else, it’s generally accepted as ribbing without deeper meaning, lacking any deeper context. As an American, I generally don’t get upset when someone makes stereotypical American jokes, or putting on a cowboy hat and exaggerated affectation, because I know it’s just ribbing. Whereas, as an individual with mental disorders, I can be sensitive about neurotypical folk making mental illness jokes or ‘pretending’ to be mentally ill as a joke - because I’m not sure that it’s not coming from a place of genuine ignorance or malice (or worse - I’m sure that it is), due to the cultural power imbalance between the neurodiverse and the neurotypical being still quite… lopsided.

          Were it the other way around - if neurodiverse folk were accepted and Americans were not - I imagine my reactions would likewise be reversed. So too with ethnic groups who are discriminated against by modern society - caution is warranted, and sensitivity to such things is not an incorrect reaction on their part.