Hello. I never, ever, have advocated for that. Please don’t say that. You’re being hurtful over a misunderstanding. I will take a few more days off Lemmygrad to reflect.

PA lot of Lemmygradians can give you a thorough, academic answer. As I dont have the time right now, lemme give you a couple notes.

First, Marxism sees things as dynamic and changing. Lumpens are the Maga fascists from working class neighborhoods which you see in ICE for instance. Especially the blacks and latinos working there. Initially, you wanna empathize bc you know theyre there for the money, but you cant because they wanna execute us. Being naive is the worst in politics, nobody respects you.

But I said Marxism sees thing dynamically. Magas can and will change their points of view as Trump tanks. Not all are fash, most are anti establishment disgruntled workers. Thats the time to win them to our cause. So a Lumpen may be a lumpen today but they may stop being lumpen tomorrow. “Is” does not mean forever, it means “is right now”. There is no ontological determinism in philosophical parlance.

Secondly, this is not the canonical answer, but I believe in bringing philosophy to the present time. This is why I speak of Magas. In Marxs time they were the ppl who supported Louis Napoleon, the Trump from back then.

Finally, we can forgive many things. We forgave Puyi, the last Chinese emperor. But first the lumpenfash will pay for their crimes. We can be merciful but we must be just as well.

Bothsiding is lib at best, fash at worst.

Happy Workers Day my reds! Heading now to the demo ✊

Chinamaxxing will become hopemaxxing, just give it time.

You’re gonna hit me for saying the obvious, but socialism is based on sociability. In other words, some anti-socialists are, simply put, anti-social.

Same with anti-communist. Hate the commons? --> Private property. Or even: hate the commoners? --> aristocratic ass.

However, there would be a very interesting question here. Why are neurodivergents attracted to socialism? I’ve read it’s the feeling of not being able to withstand injustice.

Damn, I keep failing at this 😑 It must be my neurodivergent circuitry.

Absolute yes, we must always seek to rally others and group up and not act isolated. Most people are good but will stay silent or be led astray if the general mood, led by a couple of chuds, is assholish. We never are alone.

Wow, thanks for sharing that. Clear as the midday light.

There are opportunists who believe politics is like a brand, that you’ve got to dish out the product which is in high demand by prospective clients.

Then there’s us, who believe politics can transform people. If they’re wrong now, we’ll show them why they’re wrong, let them reflect on it and hopefully expect them to change their views.

I feel you, I’m not a confrontational person either. But you’ve reached a point where there’s a red line --and it’s RED–, drawn not by opportunism but by axiomatic moral principle. This is good, it’s in fact great.

Some people around the Grad can give more specific advise, but the rule of thumb is speak softly, try to be calm, and go straight to the point. Like, if you were “debating” a flat-earther, you would start by saying “the Earth is round”, and then build your arguments from there. This way you show them you’re sure of your stance.

My argument would basically be this is right-wing bullshit which leads to red-brownism (patsoc). In Spain, the fascist communists are a tiny speck of shit led by a certain Roberto Vaquero. They’re indistinguishable from Vox or Falange, because they hate Moroccans and feminists. 99% of the Left pisses on these red-brown shitstains and defends gays, women and foreigners in various degrees.

Be strong Comrade, you have our support.

Exactly. Losing the justice referendum, whose real objective was to modify the 1948 antifascist constitution, was Meloni’s 1st hard slap on her face.

The fash are losing globally, at least in terms of public perception. Never held any legitimacy and now even less.

The reality is more nuanced. Even fashgirl Giorgia Meloni (Italy) is rejecting US access to bases on Italian soil. I suppose the war is so unpopular that all who support it automatically fail domestically.

On the other hand, I expect master magician Pedro Sánchez to reject US aggression and simultaneously buy American weapons which, inexplicably, will end up in Naziyahu’s hands.

The Pedro has a lot of positive international reputation right now, but here on Lemmy we approach the world dialectically. That is, we don’t buy lib bullshit. Sánchez’s moves are super lib at the core. Do 1 lefty thing and 2 righty things.

Dear mister Tromp, let me answer your kind offer thus:

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My redpayer money at work 🫡

What about the Mongols?

The Mongols are the ultimate centrists, since they just want to graze…

Seriously though, the identity part can be more or less solved by pointing to our common class enemies, the Epstein nazis. I believe that, if Usanians shot their masters and updated the basic freedom principles of the Enlightenment with socialism, the USA Soviet Edition would be a very interesting experiment, because it is one of the culturally richest places in the world.

I recommend it too. Read it last year. My main takeaway was in fact “read the Chinese Marxists more”. They are super based for the single reason of having put in practice Marxism for ~80 years. Let no Western Marxist ever weasel out of the fact there is almost zero practical governmental experience in Western socialist-communist cadres. “China bad” actually is “China knows”.

The fundamental flaw in campist arguments is that even if we accept that Russia, China, Iran, etc. are also empires and also engage in imperialism that their “imperialism” is distinctly less influential, less destructive, and less threatening to the global working class when compared to the global doom that is American & Western European hegemony.

This is terribly damaging to the Western ego, because it would mean the Global South has owned the North playing at their own game.

Seriously though, tired of lib shit as we all are, tell me, oh wise libs, one (1) time Venezuela, Nicaragua or Cuba have invaded another country.

It’s bullshit, it’s always equating aggressor = victim.

They’re sisipee-paid actors, bro, trust me, I know because I watch YouTube influencers right

/s 😆

Always the same fcing map 😒

This is incredible, it’s something that happened long ago. It’s like the stupid Spanish right and their war of cultural vengeance against LatAM because muh amerikan empire.

Hard to see but Siegrael of course voted against.

Russia is the bogeyman in the Baltics just like muslims are the bogeyman in the rest of Europe just like latinos in the US…

“Hans, it’s the <<<Jews>>>!!!” - always the same nazi shit.

the moment you define success as “not China” rather than “good outcomes for partner countries,” you basically kill the very spirit of your initiative

That’s it, common European L because racism.