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Isn’t the web version a full client that works without a phone nearby nowadays?
Yes it is, and because of who owns it, I would even prefer that to an unsandboxed closed source native binary.
Pretty much I’ll never understand why people want their webpages to be apps with access to all your shit
it is convenient mostly for developers, not people.
But a lot of these apps are electron webpages in application form I’ll never understand it
It’s because the vast, vast, VAST majority of people have no idea that many apps are just showing a website. Also, the app version is almost always more efficient in terms of precious phone screen real estate compared to a browser. Apps also remember who you are so you don’t have to login. It isn’t hard to understand why people like them.
That said, many apps are horrible from a privacy perspective. But that is largely hidden from the average user, most of whom simply don’t think much about online privacy anyway.
I hope the ubiquity of irritating ads are the thin edge of the wedge that gets more people interested in ad-blocking, and then perhaps online privacy more generally.
Yes, but no calls, because apparently a browser doesnt have microphone and speaker support
Whatsapp does their calls over voIP anyways right?
works without a phone nearby nowadays?
Last time I checked it kicked me out for no reason… But in a nutshell yes.
I wouldn’t install it on my system in any case.
Same. No sane linux user should.
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I don’t like WhatsApp, but some people simply refuse to use anything else (“better”) and the web clients can bridge the gap but it’s extremely annoying not being able to answer a call with a person you are texting
Easy, I don’t talk to such people. They can have my email or phone number if truly necessary. Yes, same for family or work, just not using Meta products for communication. Surprisingly enough people do understand.
“Easy, I don’t talk to such people”
so you don’t talk to most people, outside of coworkers, family and other weirdos
T. Care about privacy, also care about having a social life without being an annoying weirdo
It’s called having standards.
OK provocation aside yes, you actually have to stand for what you believe in. For some people it means not going to a meat restaurants, for others, like me, it means not accepting a WhatsApp chat or a Google Drive share. You also do that but because it’s either so ingrained or socially accepted you do not even notice anymore. Your standards are definitely not mine but if neither of us do push back, then we as a society go backward IMHO (even knowing my standards are not yours, assuming at least some of us do think and act based on new knowledge rather than random beliefs). So… yes it means my circle of acquaintances is not the most inclusive but I do accept boundaries and if it means someone is toxic according to my perspective, they are out, simple.
PS: you actually have no idea what my social life is. You literally can not judge if it’s “richer” or “poorer” than anyone else.
Element one via bridges and run WhatsApp on an old phone - that’s the most I will allow an app from meta in my enviroment
But please tell your contacts that you’re using bridges, if you haven’t already.
You are effectively giving away encryption keys to a third party, since those messages need to be decrypted and re-encrypted mid-transit.
Everyone who is part of the chats you use bridges with deserves to know about that fact, at least.
Stop using Facebook products
WhatsApp is owned by Meta right?
Yes
Not sure why anyone would use it. I certainly wouldn’t.
Couple reasons:
WhatsApp was its own company, took advantage of an open market in EU where SMS (and “international” phone calls?) were extra rate charges on mobile phones. Once every one got accustomed to using whatsapp Meta took it over and now we’re stuck with it.
To communicate with anyone outside of the US, where it is extremely popular and is the main interaction with many businesses as well.
It’s almost impossible not to sadly, at least if you want to reach everybody in ypur contacts… It was the first popular messaging app here and inertia prevents people from moving to better alternatives now.
Here almost everybody uses Viber or Messenger (I know Messenger’s also Meta)
viber > anything owned by facebool
Threema > anything owned by giant corporations
Meanwhile in the US and Canada: So, I’ll just send an SMS, k?
Also in the US: Blue SmS right?
Teenagers are the only ones who care about that
I think a lot of tech-savvy adults care about E2E on blue iMessage bubbles. I won’t talk about sensitive information via green, that’s all going to signal.
Imma burst your bubble (pun intended) but that’s such a small part of the population and even such a small part of the tech savvy population that I don’t think it’s much of an argument.
That’s fair! I’m just going by my own experiences. But I have a lot of tech-savvy friends and acquaintances and even many non-tech-savvy mates are into Signal vs SMS because it’s secure, has great audio/video chat, and it’s not owned by shudders Facebook. I personally do not touch any google or Facebook products or services.
Apple gives it funny colours? Google messages just change saturation. Also for some reason I can’t send RCS (and e2e encrypted) messages to my relatives with apple phones. But I got most of them to use Signal :>
I just recently read something about, that apple needs to use RCS by the end of 2023.
I actually heard the same on techlinked today, but apparently apple doesn’t seem to be interested in e2e encryption for their RCS messages.
Stop using that shit
It’s a web app, you don’t really need a native application for it.
I just use discord via the browser. Why would I allow it to harvest my data as an app?
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If you use JACK audio, then you can make it Unix-way. Or use hardware PTT.
i bet you could find some little tool to replace that easily. sucks though
Because the desktop app works without having your phone around, if I remember correctly. It’s a relatively recent feature.
Why do you need your phone around for the web version?
The web version isn’t a standalone client like Signal, which registers as an additional device with e2e. WhatsApp web communicates with the WhatsApp app, so it doesn’t work if the phone isn’t connected to the internet (in early versions it had to be the same network, if I remember correctly).
I believe WA introduced a feature which allowed the desktop app to function standalone like Signal. Signal Desktop adds a second device with it’s own keys, so contacts send automatically messages to two devices. I’m not sure if it works the same for WA, and if they even have the feature. I don’t have a compatible desktop.
Even if it exists, then it does not have to be good. Look at Microsoft Teams.
Microsoft Teams???
I also hate it but unfortunately have to use it for work.
It’s a stopgap but Teams for Linux at least gives you Wayland support, choice of seperate window sharing and background filters
Even if you look at Windows native version - it’s still trash. The chat client is disgusting bad.
I used browser when I had to use it
They made it basically unusable with Firefox, so unless you also want to install Edge it really sucks
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Every damn thing?
skype > teams
My MF smartwatch has WhatsApp but still no Linux version.
Technically you could run an Android container on Linux like with Waydroid and get WhatsApp too, it’s just that there’ll probably be more Android users
Flatpak has WhatsApp for Linux.
It’s just WhatsApp web as an app
That’s exactly what a “desktop” client would be anyway: a crappy, memory hogging electron app.
But WhatsApp have a really good app on windows which can attend calls and stuff . I think recently in Mac too . I’m using WhatsApp inside waydroid container in Linux so that I can at least attend calls
But it spoofs the user agent as a Mac because WhatsApp blocks Linux on the web
What? My WhatsApp works normally on my Firefox on Arch.
Nice to know they changed it then
You shouldn’t use this app in the first place. It had many data breaches and it copy everything from Telegram (maybe everyone copies, but I don’t use other apps). I only mainly use Telegram and Matrix.
It’s impossible to convince that to friends and family. In my country everyone use WhatsApp as primary messaging app . It’s kind of like iMessage situation in US
I feel that, a good chunk of my friends are on Signal thankfully but all of my family still use WhatsApp
For me it’s the other way around :/
iMessage For My Blue Friends, Signal For My Green Friends
It’s nice that a lot of my surroundings have finally jumped to Telegram. Previously it was Viber (bleh). But it’s much hard to go to Matrix because it’s much much less feature rich and less polished then Telegram. I can easily use it as a basic text messenger, but that’s about it. So Telegram is a solid middle ground. Can’t wait for the multi server Matrix accounts.
“best i can do is a chromium only web app”
Works in Firefox for me
Facebook couldn’t bother making a proper Android app for years. Now you want them to make Linux apps? The likelihood is small…
Its proprietary so that’s not a shock
So is Discord and Viber
Neither of which run well on Linux. Don’t use proprietary software when there are other options
I’ve been running Discord just fine on Linux. It’s just a web wrapper, after all. What issues have you been having with it?
Screen share on Wayland is completely broken
From what I’ve read online that’s a problem with Wayland not Discord.
Discord was not made for Wayland and has failed to provide an update
Armcord has a plugin fix for that I believe!
Armcord doesn’t have global keybinds yet though (no push to talk/mute toggle unless you are tabbed into armcord) which is even worse imo
Recently it’s stopped opening links in my browser and won’t let me upload files to discord.
Last time I tried Viber, it ran fine on Linux, what issues have you had with it?
Discord also works pretty well, minus the white flashing when scrolling through GIFs for me
I had a problem with Viber on Linux, it crashed when picking up or starting a call, but that was quickly fixed.
Admittedly haven’t tried calling with it, that being said I still need to reinstall it on my main laptop (only recently switched to Linux on that, was using an old laptop with Linux before that), so I’ll try some stuff again
Viber and Discord aren’t free (libre) software and should be avoided. I’ve never ran them because of that reason. However, I’ve heard lots of complaints of proprietary mainstream applications not being great on Linux.
“Neither of which run well on Linux.”
“I’ve never ran them because of that reason.”
Yikes.
web.whatsapp.com works really well
edit: It does not do voice or video but I’m OK switching to my phone for those
There are plenty of desktop wrappers available for the Web version. I don’t use WhatsApp often but from my experience it seems fairly similar to the Windows desktop app
Main problem is that it doesn’t have voice and video calls there.
Afaik they created a Windows client that’s native sort of recently and I’m pretty sure it’s a better experience than the web version because that’s one slow as hell to initially load for me.
