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He will not get my vote in the primary (which Biden will likely win), but I’m still voting for him in the General, because if he loses, I know for certain I will not be better off when Republicans inevitably enact the policies entailed in Project 2025.
ETA: Unless by some miracle he loses the primary, in which case, I will be voting for the not-fascist.
Much appreciated. I’ve started taking some time to read over Project 2025. It’s truly terrifying, not just for the US but for the world.
Biden is currently aiding and abetting a literal genocide and US libs keep pretending he’s not a fascist
He’s not. Genocide is not a prescript of Fascism. Pretending he’s a fascist for this one thing is needlessly reductive and broadens the meaning of Fascism to the point that it doesn’t mean anything useful at all.
You know who is a fascist? Donald Trump, who on Veterans Day called people on the Left “vermin” to be rooted out, mimicking Hitler’s own words about Jews. Now, explain to me how he and Biden are similar enough to be considered cut from the same cloth.
Care to provide a definition for what you think fascism is? While there are a few accepted definitions of fascism, a common thread tends to be a militarized regime run by the oligarchs who control the industry. This is precisely what we see happening in US. Both Trump and Biden represent the interests of the oligarchs and this is reflected by decades of policy data:
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
Let’s break down Biden point by point, shall we?
- Far-right: No
- Dictatorial: No
- Ultranationalist: No
- Supports centralized autocracy: No
- Supports Militarism: Yes
- Forcibly suppresses opposition: No
- Believes in natural social heierachy: No*
- Believes individual interests should be sacrificed for the perceived good of the nation: No
- Promotes strong regimentation of society and economy: No
*: Not enough data to indicate his personal beliefs on this.
Biden is nowhere near Fascism based on that definition, and unless you can provide a better one that isn’t " because the US is a defacto oligarchy and Biden is a warmonger," there’s no way to square that circle.
- Far-right: No
Both US republicans and democrats are very much far right by any sensible standard
- Dictatorial: No
Read the study I linked above which clearly shows that US political system works in the interest of the elites, that’s what a dictatorial system looks like.
- Ultranationalist: NoI
LMFAO imagine thinking that US isn’t ultranationalist
- Supports centralized autocracy: No
Again, see study above
- Forcibly suppresses opposition: No
All alternative parties are effectively excluded from participating in the US
- Believes individual interests should be sacrificed for the perceived good of the nation: No
LMAO, covid response where Biden admin sacrificed countless vulnerable people for the sake of the economy begs to differ
I think you and I are talking past each other. Your personal definitions for these words, based on your examples, are far too broad, in my opinion. I do not think there’s anything on this topic that we can agree upon if we can’t agree what these words mean.
Take care.
I’m not using personal definitions for any words, and I’ve even provided you a study analyzing decades of US policy supporting my points. If we can’t agree on basic and obvious facts of the situation then any meaningful discussion of the subject is indeed impossible.
Take care.
How many times are you going to link that study? Doesn’t it get old after a while?
As long as it stays relevant. I see it still gets under your skin.
He’s not a fascist but that doesn’t mean he’s really any better than one. The logic Biden is using to defend US support of genocide abroad is the same logic fascists use to oppress domestic populations. In either case, people are needlessly murdered. The only difference is where it’s taking place.
Funniest part of that chart is the highest metric is Democrats saying “No change.”
I guess in their mind, Biden’s promise of “nothing will fundamentally change” was kept!
Honestly with the way the US stands today, “no fundamental change” is probably the best we could hope for. Of course, I think things are generally worse now than when he was elected, but I don’t blame him for the problems of crony capitalism, a completely dysfuncional congress, a Supreme Court beholden to private donors, and a national constituency that seems to shed brain cells like trees shed leaves in autumn.
So you genuinely believe that the world cannot get better? You actually unironically fell for the “good things can’t happen” meme? Yikers
You’ve wilfully misread the comment, but I’m not going to quibble with you about it.
Honestly with the way the US stands today, “no fundamental change” is probably the best we could hope for
How does this mean anything other than “good things aren’t possible”
Because critiquing a system as currently failing doesn’t translate to, “good things aren’t possible,” or as you said earlier, “things can’t get better,” except by hyperbolic inference. You’re welcome to disagree with my points and offer your own thoughts on the issues, and that would certainly be more interesting than trying to critique me as a person based on four sentences on Lemmy.
In a collapsing country on a planet being fed into the ovens by the ruling class, this is actually a more optimistic poll result than I would expect. Anyone other than the .01% feeling they are “better off” is surprising.
Cannot access the article, but the headline sounds like it’s a financial outcome. I find that to be a highly dubious premise. Surely there is more to life than “having more money”?
If you’re barely scraping by, having less money can significantly affect quality of life, or at least percieved quality of life.
It’s like the old quote (I’ll completely fuck up I am sure) but nobody appreciates just how expensive it is to be poor.
Currently I’m worse off because of all the construction on numerous infrastructure projects in my city. But I’ll be much better off when they’re done. Unfortunately, it will take some time to realize the gains of some of the larger bills that were passed.
I don’t mind not being better off when the alternative is fascism. I’d prefer to be better off, but I’ll take status quo.
Congrats, you have chosen fascism.
So all the choices are fascism and the only way to win is not to play? Yeah, no thanks, I’ll keep voting, thank you very much, and I will keep voting AGAINST the fascists, even when the alternative is mediocrity.
Keep voting. Just don’t vote for the slow fascist, nor the fast fascist. It’s easy and literally the least you can do.
