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Derail one, more like. Giving people a cathartic rally, yell some slogans, present fuck all in the way of alternatives.
Until they tell voters to ditch the democratic party outright, they’re just sheepdogs doing what they’re there to do.
It needs to become a mass movement or it’s game over for 'murca.
Better get on it then :-)
Get out your door and rally people who wouldn’t normally be rallied. Get people who are fed up with politics being rubbish, excited about this new one! Bring 'murica a new vision, to a town or rural corner that B&A can’t reach in person.
… Also I just realised that abbreviating Bernie Sanders’ name is a bit awkward
They could become a mass movement if people are able to move past Sanders and AOC and start organizing under an org like PSL.
Let those horrible libs get what they deserve.
They are too dumbed down to know what’s good for them and hate ‘the left’ even more than Trump.Indeed, I have very little sympathy for people who still haven’t figured that democrats are just controlled opposition.
Yeah. That’ll fuckin’ show 'em! I’m glad you’re out there fighting on the streets for us!
A good surgeon needs to cut a part of healthy flesh to get all the cancer.
US is 95% rotten.
Unfortunately there is 5% collatoral dammage.
I can’t help them, and certainly not the ones that buy the Bernie snake oil as a cure.
are they gonna ask you to vote your way out of fascism 😂
plot twist - they’re gonna do a whole revolution just to go back to pre-trump liberal status quo with dems in charge + maybe some healthcare (dont count on it)
Kids in democratic cages and only democratic drone strikes
They’re gonna tell us to all vote for Gavin Newsom 💀
Best case scenario for libs. We all know if they rolled out Mike Pence as the Dem’s nominee libs would get piss mad at you for voting for somebody you actually wish would win instead of the Electable Lesser Evil.
Well, why not? Trump came in this time because lots of people really did vote for him. I don’t believe the scaremongering that there won’t be elections next whenever-it-is, unless society (not just Trump’s governmental and judicial meddling) breaks down before then. So, get some support around you for a new way of voting! Get your Republican and conservative friends to believe in this new chance! Get the many, many disenfranchised would-have-otherwise-been-dem-voters to sign up for this new way, and vote this time!
you can’t vote away fascism, and you certainly can’t by voting for the diet fascist they will invariably put forth for us. elections are a farce.
We’ve been through this before. Don’t fall for it. Learn from your mistakes.
They’re doing damage control for the Dems. People are leaving the party in droves, so they trotted out their token progressives to pretend the party can be reformed. They’re also floating the idea of starting a completely new party, which would presumably direct members to the Dems for elections, or else they’d be advocating joining with existing leftist parties.
Bernie & AOC also still fervently support the military industry. They’re both defending arming far right extremists and proxy wars.
Learn from your mistakes and do what, exactly?
Begging your pardon, but your reply sounds like, “oh no, don’t try to reform your party, because that’s just damage control; and don’t try to make a new party, became you’ll just send people to the old one.” At least they can try, right? It’s better than nothing?
And as to your objections to their support for the military, a) those of us who support Ukraine would still like America to have a military, and to use it well; and b) what’s your alternative? Can you field another candidate/pair/group to lead America into a vision you believe in? Please do!
those of us who support Ukraine would still like America to have a military
If not for the US/NATO, this war wouldn’t have happened in the first place.
NATO expansion:
- George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
- Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
- Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine
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NATO in general:- The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
- CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
- Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
- Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
- Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
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The US-backed Maidan coup and fascist paramilitary attacks on separatist eastern & southern Ukraine:- Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
- Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: audio | transcript
- Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
- Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
Begging your pardon, but your reply sounds like, “oh no, don’t try to reform your party, because that’s just damage control; and don’t try to make a new party, became you’ll just send people to the old one.” At least they can try, right? It’s better than nothing?
FWIW, there are already other parties which should be filling this role. But, as some other comments have mentioned, organizing under a political party like PSL is probably the best way forward, since they aren’t just focused on electoral tactics but instead focusing on the power we have as workers and as communities (the electoral system was broken long before Trump took power, it would be foolish to pretend 2027 will be any more viable than Germany’s elections after the Nazi Party took control).
organizing under a political party like PSL
I’ve looked them up now, and the more I read… No. I disagree.
You have absolutely nothing of value to add to this conversation.
You should really avoid your keyboard when talking to yourself.
I know there are more pressing issues, but why is that person allowed to grab AOC’s boob in the picture?
A mass movement for capitalist reformism?
That will end well.
If electoralism wasn’t dead in the US before, it certainly is now. We’re like 2 months in and Trump is already trying alter state run polling rules directly at the federal level by executive order.
I think it is hillarious that they are holding rallies without even presenting a plan. How stupid are people to keep faling for this. You can hold up a sign and scream some words against Trump. Come 2028 they find out that oopsie we did not work on any alternative movement, time to vote for Hillary again!
If they were in like a 200 mile radius of me, I’d go!
Heck I’d come out to a rally just to get a glimpse of AOC.
I don’t hold scabs like AOC in such high regard.Well, I didn’t say I hold her in high regard, just that I’d like to get a glimpse of her.
As a non-American, she is cute af.
She do be cute af
