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A law under consideration by the German parliament would mean that people who have committed anti-Semitic acts can never be granted citizenship, German Interior Minister Nancy Faeser said on Wednesday.
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How do they define “antisemitic acts”? There have been widespread protests in support of Palestinian civilians, which goes against a ban in place since the attack by Hamas. Are they going to use vague definitions to revoke citizenship for people protesting against the genocide of Palestinians?
Nazi icons/clothing/symbols are outright banned. It’s not unspecific.
The statement is 100% in response to pro-Palestinian protests. They do not need to remind everyone not to be an outright Nazi.
With AfD over 20% we can kind of do need to remind them
Yes, I’m aware. In theory, giving parents more control over their kid’s education is good too. I’m against the Stop WOKE act though.
Uh, is my lemmy attaching the wrong replies to posts or something? Cause for me the comment this reply is on just doesn’t make sense as what is being replied to.
Lemmy does have some bugs. You do see the odd comment in a thread that was meant to be posted on another post.
If it doesn’t make sense, let me explain it. Germany has previously banned nazi iconography. This has been true for my entire life. I’m drawing parallels between this new law in the article from Germany that has very little explanation, and an unconstitutionally vague bill in Florida being used to ban real history about the US.
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No, it’s impossible to revoke German citizenship. Defined in article 16 GG. The only exception is treason benefitting a state the offender also holds citizenship in.
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They will not revoke anything. They will just not grant citizenship for immigrants who have committed crimes that go against the (rough translation) “free and democratic foundations of the nation”. Basically: if you are against German democratic and humanitarian values to a degree that is criminal In Germany (eg Hate crimes, attempts to overthrow an election, etc), you can’t become a German citizen. You can live in Germany, you can be allowed to work here in Germany, but you ain’t one of us ans you can’t apply for most benefits.
Besides, the law actually makes it easier for immigrants to get German citizenship.
Did you make that? Good job.
Well played, Boomer
How are they going to detect that, a “yes/no” question?
Per the article, past convictions.
Germany now bans Germany
Germany has banned that aspect of their history for quite some time
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They will use this law to deny citizenship to people from Palestine
Likely to anyone who even feigns sympathy for them too, if German reaction to Palestinian Liberation protests are anything to go by.
There’s a quite simple line in Germany: Don’t be violent and don’t shout things like “gas the Jews” and you can protest. And thousands did in quite a number of cities on quite a number of days. Get out of your filter bubble.
Exactly.
True.
If they had past convictions
And Ukraine I suppose
Until the brain-scan is perfected.
geeze get over your preconceptions about europeans, they have words for yes and no…
yikes
Already the case. To gain citizenship you generally have to have a clear criminal record, with the exception of youth offences, fines up to 90 days, and prison up to 3 month if it was on probation, unless the motive was antisemitic, racist, xenophobic, or otherwise contemptuous of humanity.
If they want to extend it to “has done something like that that wasn’t illegal” then they’re going to have a hard time before court as it would amount to immigration officials infringing on prerogatives of the judicature.
Tell that to Israeli government and the NSO group destroying family values and relationships, selling spyware to the same dictatorships they claim to stand against then attempting to avoid accountability.
Why not make that hate crimes in general?
Minister Faeser also makes it clear: “Racism, anti-Semitism or any other form of misanthropy stand in the way of naturalization - there is zero tolerance.” A clear commitment to the values of a free society should therefore be a prerequisite for naturalization. Anyone who does not share values such as the dignity and equality of all people and the equal rights of men and women, or who even acts against them, may not become a German.
But that’s already in the law. Unless the idea is to throw the Rechtsstaat out of the window and remove the requirement that people have the right to a fair trial.
Because that’s already in the law:
Sentence 1 does not apply if the foreigner was convicted of an antisemitic, racist or xenophobic offence, or other criminal offence evidencing contempt for humanity as referred to in section 46 (2) sentence 2 of the Criminal Code (Strafgesetzbuch) and sentenced to a prison term, fine or youth custody and the court judgment found that the offence was based on such a motive.
This is 100% performative bullshit.
Define anti semite
Showing off Nazi symbols. Which already is illegal
Not kissing Israel’s ass presumably
Israel is objectively in the right in the war but I’m afraid that defining anti semite could mean anyone they don’t like
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gottverdammt*
You dislike jews because they are jews.
A seven year old could figure that out, or shit, read wikipedia idk…
They are asking which way the minister wants to define the term.
The fucking same I would presume, most likely looking it up in a dictionary
Given how often the term is being misused lately, it’s a fair question. The Israeli embassy started a campaing against the mayor of Barcelona trying to frame her as an antisemite because she took symbolic measures to denounce Israel’s crimes against Palestinians back in February. Plenty of European politicians just don’t want to speak with honesty because they don’t want the bad PR of being the target of this kind of attacks.
How would you derive that someone “dislikes jews because they are jews”? Do you listen to them talk and make a decision following your gut? Do you make an MRI image of their brain and measure their brain waves to read their mind?
You would have to work with their past actions. And then it becomes non trivial to define “anti-semite”.
So it is not really about “what does the word mean” but “how do you decide who fits the definition and who doesn’t”. People are concerned about this because it is very hard to make a law that 100% only fits to the people you want to target (leaving asside wether the principle is correct or not).What in the fuck are you even talking about? Do you have the same issue identifying a racist? Do you need to MRI scan a KKK members brain to be sure if they are racist, do a deep dive into the background? Goddamn some of you on lemmy are fucking stupid…
Deal with it. If you want to make out with Hamas ,do it without german citizenship.
It was about time. All those diehard Erdoğan fans for example are pretty antisemitic in my experience.
They can keep their own Nazis, just not have new extra foreigners.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
BERLIN, Oct 25 (Reuters) - A law under consideration by the German parliament would mean that people who have committed anti-Semitic acts can never be granted citizenship, German Interior Minister Nancy Faeser said on Wednesday.
“Our draft for the new citizenship law, which we will now discuss in the Bundestag, provides a clear exclusion of anti-Semites,” Faeser said in a statement issued after she met with Israeli ambassador to Germany, Ron Prosor.
She added that German authorities were “extremely vigilant” with regards to supporters of the Palestinian Islamist group Hamas in Germany, saying that any such person would be “prosecuted with the full force of the law.”
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Peak performance.
Germany actively boots out and leashes nazis, while Israel elects them to office, parties with them, names districts after them, and permits them visits to the Kotel.
💀💀💀💀💀
Wild times.
We need sources please
Israel literally named a settlement in the Golan Heights after fffking Trump.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Heights
After Bibi had wine and cheese with him. Fukem both.
Thanks. I had no idea. That’s terrifying.
I know. I kept trying to give IL the benefit of the doubt until I saw THAT ffking shhht in the news. Our new Speaker of the House is a neonazi who wants to “defend” Israel while legislatively trying to murder everyone else who is not a ffking cis-white-Christian-male.
I CANNOT take that place seriously now.
This ain’t it, chief.
i can excuse apartheid and genocide but i draw the line at naming something after a politician
You don’t understand my point that “naming things after THIS particular bottom tier politician” is something that makes you not credible anymore?
Don’t ffk this up on yourself.
Trump aint a nazi tho
He stood in the Ford factory and talked about “great bloodlines”, called African nations like Botswana shitholes and got innocent black men legally harassed for their their entire lives.
That’s enough for me, bro.
well actual neo-nazis are against trump because he was pro-israel, but whatev
No. No they’re not.
Margie Greene is a LITERAL neonazi that went to a KKK brunch, laughed it off, and is his biggest supporter.
Don’t even try conflating Judaism with Israeli government support after some of even the most staunch Hareidi sects, and also Holocaust victims, protest Israeli politics.
And Trump is NOT “pro-Israel”, he’s “pro-ME.”
Dunno who margie is.
They can be elected president in this country.
I guess that’s the USA, the default country?
I’m pretty sure you mean the Un-United Shithole of America a.k.a the united states of america
Please be aware that people besides you won’t he aware of the country you are talking about and me and the other person replying to you are only assuming you are talking about the usa unless you want to edit your comment and say what country you are talking about
This is a way to spin being able to remove organize citizenship to those who are supportive of Palestine or critical of Israel, and paint them as enemies of peace. This is Germany bringing back old traditions from the 40s.
I’m afraid the call is coming from inside the house in this case.
Antideutsch out in force I see.
